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  • #16
    TRAP55
    Calguns Addict
    • Jul 2008
    • 5536

    Originally posted by 6mmintl
    Take bolt apart and polish firing pin, clean inside bolt, assemble with "Light weight" oil on spring and moly paste on cam/shroud threads.
    Do this first, then if you have to replace the spring, you're already one up. Burnish the inside of the bolt body, the smoother it is, the easier the spring can unload when you pull the trigger. Some of these bolts have fossilized grease inside the body that needs to be cleaned out. Check the firing pin for burrs on the wedge shaped stop, just behind the tip of the pin.
    With a clean and lightly lubed bolt, check your FP protrusion, it should be Min. .055", Max. .065" on 98's.
    A new factory spring was 19lbs, Wolff use to offer a 20lb, but I think the lightest now is 22lbs?. Anything heavier, just makes the bolt harder to open, and causes unnecessary wear on parts. If their lightest spring doesn't pop Yugo primers, (Turk too), you have other problems.
    Last edited by TRAP55; 01-14-2014, 1:23 PM.

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    • #17
      Bobby Ricigliano
      Mit Gott und Mauser
      CGN Contributor
      • Feb 2011
      • 17439

      Originally posted by NOTABIKER
      yes that batch, this is why i want some info on this stuff. i do not want to slam this ammo and it is the rifles fault. the rifle is a kar 98a. yes pretty old. but i shot this rifle 3 weeks ago with the 1938 Austrian nazi 20 round box without a single misfire. I think the ammo is good and the mauser is good. the problem is my rifle is fussy with this ammo. i wish i could get a stronger strike but i know of no way to adjust the firing pin on a mauser like a mosin. for all i know this firing pin spring is 95 years old. i wish i knew how hard of a strike is necessary. like i said before the strike is a little on the light side , but it is striking the primer and leaving a small indentation. the same day shooting i had a few misfires with Bulgarian surplus in my PU that left a much larger strike and did not fire. funny thing is with the Bulgarian misfire i was able to try the same round over and it fired the second time. i guess i just had a bad ammo day. i have been spoiled with surplus mosin ammo , never a missfire with over 20 mosins and many different mosin bullets in 2 years.
      If I am ever able to get out to one of the WEGC shoots I will gladly let you sample some Romanian, Turkish, and Yugo ammo to determine what your Mauser prefers.

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      • #18
        major burnout
        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
        CGN Contributor
        • Dec 2010
        • 3860

        Ive had hangfires and cracked necks on 40's dated turkish ammo I dont remember any duds. The turkish stamped '38 is much better quality( two piece strippers and blue bandoleers).
        Calguns- redacted more than Hillarys bengazi emails.

        Originally posted by rattlesnake_nm
        10/4 . Ranger pm'd me. I will chill on replying to insults with my own insults. Thanks for the heads up.
        Originally posted by RickD427
        In addition to all of the above, please note that it is illegal for you to offer an "Assault Weapon" for sale while you are in California, even if the weapon is restricted to sale out of the state.

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        • #19
          Ritchie8719
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2013
          • 1433

          Op, this is Turk ammo not on clips and in bandos?

          How is it packed?
          Tarn Helm, WTF???

          My god, Bigger Hammer, dont you have jaywalkers to ticket?

          bunny farts to flamethrowers

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          • #20
            NOTABIKER
            Calguns Addict
            • Mar 2012
            • 7635

            Originally posted by Ritchie8719
            Op, this is Turk ammo not on clips and in bandos?

            How is it packed?
            second hand loose in ammo cans. i am going to measure the firing pin protrusion and see what it is. thanks all.
            If you saw this barrel you would wonder why i am even shooting it. major slop.
            i have a extra barrel need to find somebody to do it. harry at HMK said 2 months.

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            • #21
              Mssr. Eleganté
              Blue Blaze Irregular
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Oct 2005
              • 10401

              Originally posted by NOTABIKER
              ...but i shot this rifle 3 weeks ago with the 1938 Austrian nazi 20 round box without a single misfire...
              Are you talking about the P635 code German surplus in 15 round boxes? Or does yours really come in 20 round boxes?
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              • #22
                Josh Smith
                Senior Member
                • May 2011
                • 1101

                Pssst...



                I have one in my Gew88/05.

                Regards,

                Josh
                .

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                • #23
                  TRAP55
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 5536

                  Josh, did you know a weak 98 spring will fit in a Gew88, and give you about 22lbs?

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                  • #24
                    Bobby Ricigliano
                    Mit Gott und Mauser
                    CGN Contributor
                    • Feb 2011
                    • 17439

                    Originally posted by Josh Smith
                    Pssst...



                    I have one in my Gew88/05.

                    Regards,

                    Josh
                    That looks like a nice upgrade. Does it measurably increase the difficulty in reassembling the bolt? I assume my spring is stock in my RC and it is pretty stout in the compression needed to put the bolt back together.

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                    • #25
                      NOTABIKER
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Mar 2012
                      • 7635

                      Are you talking about the P635 code German surplus in 15 round boxes? Or does yours really come in 20 round boxes?
                      oooooops 15 round box

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                      • #26
                        NOTABIKER
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Mar 2012
                        • 7635

                        i assumed a 1918 KAR 98a spring and a later K98K spring are the same. Am i wrong. is that .055 speck the same for the KAR98a thanks.

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                        • #27
                          TRAP55
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 5536

                          Same and same.

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                          • #28
                            NOTABIKER
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Mar 2012
                            • 7635

                            bolt

                            I took the bolt apart today and measured the firing pin protrusion. It measured between .063 & .066 so that is not the problem. Everything was clean but i did spend some time scotch brighting the firing pin shaft. it was pretty rough. i also used a cloth shot gun bore cleaning patch to clean out the bolt tube with acetone. i made sure everything had a light coat of white grease.i plan to get a new firing pin spring and take it with me to the range. i also am going to shoot some of the ammo that worked fine before and try them both the same day.

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                            • #29
                              Bobby Ricigliano
                              Mit Gott und Mauser
                              CGN Contributor
                              • Feb 2011
                              • 17439

                              I bought all the rest of the 8mm ammo that Lex had, about 260 or so rounds of Turkish. It is all in very clean condition, should work fine with a good stout spring.

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                              • #30
                                NOTABIKER
                                Calguns Addict
                                • Mar 2012
                                • 7635

                                Originally posted by Bobby Ricigliano
                                I bought all the rest of the 8mm ammo that Lex had, about 260 or so rounds of Turkish. It is all in very clean condition, should work fine with a good stout spring.
                                WOW he had i think 3,00 rounds a few weeks ago.

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