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  • Gutter
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2012
    • 1215

    Help me identify this swag

    Picked up some extra items that I'll need help identifying. They include four bayonets, WWII/Korea era magazine pouches, 30-06 and 303 British from various dates on strippers and en bloc clips, blank .30 cal ammo, USGI web sling, Pyrodex, etc. I'll be continually posting pictures.
    Last edited by Gutter; 10-11-2016, 2:31 PM.
  • #2
    Gutter
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2012
    • 1215

    Bayonets and knife. The knife was just a freebie throw in. Most likely a reproduction of some kind, but I couldn't find it using my Google-fu.
    Last edited by Gutter; 10-11-2016, 2:34 PM.

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    • #3
      Enfield47
      Calguns Addict
      • Sep 2012
      • 6385

      Looks like a nice score! Post up some pics of the Jungle Carbine when you can.

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      • #4
        emcon5
        Veteran Member
        • Sep 2009
        • 3347

        I am confused. As I understand it, the M8A1 scabbard was for the M4 bayonet (for the M1 carbine) and the later M5/M5A1 Garand bayonets made in the 50s, and even the earliest M16 bayonets in the 70s.

        Those Bayonets don't look like any of them. The grips look like 1905 and M1 type, but the blades are wrong for those bayonets types. The WW2 era M1905E1 and M1 blades were almost 10 inches long, and won't fit in a M8A1 scabbard, which is made for a blade about 6 1/2-7 inches long.

        The longer bayonet looks like a WW2 era M1905E1 or M1 type, but the handguard looks wrong, I believe it should have a barrel ring, like those found on the short bayonets.

        Here are some details, specs and photos of the US Bayonet types:



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        • #5
          raven290
          Member
          • Jul 2013
          • 361

          The M8 sheath is correct for an M4 bayonet and the MK3 Fighting Knife. I'm on my phone, but from what I can see it looks like one of those bayous is an M4.

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          • #6
            raven290
            Member
            • Jul 2013
            • 361

            Bayos*

            Friggin autocorrect and no edit function...

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            • #7
              Gutter
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2012
              • 1215

              Ammo and bandoliers
              Last edited by Gutter; 10-11-2016, 2:35 PM.

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              • #8
                emcon5
                Veteran Member
                • Sep 2009
                • 3347

                Originally posted by raven290
                The M8 sheath is correct for an M4 bayonet and the MK3 Fighting Knife. I'm on my phone, but from what I can see it looks like one of those bayous is an M4.
                I don't think so, the M4 had the release on the pommel, didn't it? Both of those look to have a button near the guard.

                Gutter, do you have a M1 Garand to see if they attach?

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                • #9
                  xrayoneone
                  Member
                  • Oct 2012
                  • 359

                  They are M1 Garand bayonets that were reprofiled by the South Koreans from M1 and M1905E1 bayonets. They are totally correct. The M1 was obviously made into a fighting knife which was a pretty common modification.

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                  • #10
                    Gutter
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2012
                    • 1215

                    Originally posted by xrayoneone
                    They are M1 Garand bayonets that were reprofiled by the South Koreans from M1 and M1905E1 bayonets. They are totally correct. The M1 was obviously made into a fighting knife which was a pretty common modification.
                    It would appear you are correct. The longer, 10 inch M1 fits the M3 sheath. The fighting knives were formerly M1s. Looking at these closer, I can see the fuller goes through the tip of them while the 10 inch fuller ends prior to the point.

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                    • #11
                      xrayoneone
                      Member
                      • Oct 2012
                      • 359

                      Luckhaus was making blades around the turn of the last century. It is a pretty quality blade. The Enfield bayonet makes a good nail and fair to middling tent peg.

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                      • #12
                        TRAP55
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 5536



                        Looks like a plug bayonet
                        Bayonet terminology diagrams illustrating terms used to describe plug; socket; sword and knife bayonets; scabbards; and, belt frogs.

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                        • #13
                          emcon5
                          Veteran Member
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 3347

                          Originally posted by xrayoneone
                          They are M1 Garand bayonets that were reprofiled by the South Koreans from M1 and M1905E1 bayonets. They are totally correct. The M1 was obviously made into a fighting knife which was a pretty common modification.
                          Bingo:

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                          • #14
                            raven290
                            Member
                            • Jul 2013
                            • 361

                            Originally posted by emcon5
                            I don't think so, the M4 had the release on the pommel, didn't it? Both of those look to have a button near the guard.

                            Gutter, do you have a M1 Garand to see if they attach?
                            Looking at them now on my pc, I would have to agree that it is not an M4. My mistake.

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                            • #15
                              Mike A
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2007
                              • 1209

                              The knife appears to be a German bayonet that has been re-ground and re-handled into a fighting knife, possibly in Mexico, or at least sold in Mexico. A very interesting sticker or, in Spanish, "pun~al" (poon-yahl--my computer doesn't do the tilda mark right).

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