M11916 spanish mauser

[tvfreakarms]

Do you guys know anything about this rifle?
I'm starting to get interested in shooting 308 win cal rifles. This will be my first .308. It was converted to take the .308win cal. And also my first bolt action rifle.

Is it worth it for the price? I believe it is an C&R and i do have a license for one.

Is there anything particular questions i should ask the seller if i decide to buy it or if i can buy one?

Here's the link

M11916 spanish mauser

[hk91666]

The 1916 spanish mausers were converted to 308 or 7.62x51 nato and fr7 rifles. The 1943 sp mausers were converted to fr8 rifles and 7.62x51 nato. The 1916 or fr7 is for a lighter nato round whereas the 1943 has a known stronger action.
If you get this one it is my understanding not to shoot commercial 308 ammo but usea lighter nato round.
Hope this makes sense even with the rambling.

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[SMarquez]

I have one. Shoots fine with 7.62 ammo or handloads loaded to the lower pressure of around 45000 psi. People will tell youthat you will die because they are not 98 Mauser but I have probably 300 rounds through mine. Again, use M80 ball spec 7.62. They are very handy rifles.

[hk91666]

I have one. Shoots fine with 7.62 ammo or handloads loaded to the lower pressure of around 45000 psi. People will tell youthat you will die because they are not 98 Mauser but I have probably 300 rounds through mine. Again, use M80 ball spec 7.62. They are very handy rifles.

Thanks for the clarification on the ammo.

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[DennisCA]

Here's my 2 cents:

I bought one from SAMCO (actually 3 - I'll explain in detail):
1st one - was in such bad shape I was afraid to shoot it; sent it back and asked for another one.
2nd one - In decent shape, took to the range - 1st shot the empty casing wouldn't eject, (stuck in chamber) had use a cleaning rod to get the brass out. It was sent back, asked for a replacement.
3rd one - Same issues as the 2nd one, (and this rifle was in awesome shape!) sent it back and asked for refund.
I used several different types of 7.62X51 (not .308) ammo, maybe it was bad luck and maybe it wasn't.
I know that several people own them and never had any issues.
Your $$$ = Your Choice

[emcon5]

I would love to have one in the original 7X57 Mauser. I have absolutely no interest in one in 7.62x51.

Like it or not, a small ring Mauser is marginal at best for 7.62x51. If you want a .308 Mauser, find a IDF K98 or a Spanish FR8.

[Crunch130]

It's NOT a 308! It can't handle the pressure of a 308. I don't care what these gun dealers say and how many so-called lab tests they performed, IT'S NOT A 308! (I'm a mechanical engineer with 27 years of experience and a Mauser nut, if you're curious about my creds.) It's marginal for 7.62 NATO. You want a cheap 308-type rifle as a shooter? Buy a Mosin Nagant 91/30 long rifle or M44 carbine, and mail order yourself cheap ammo by the spam can.

IF you insist on buying one of these, the other thing you need to be aware of is that 7.62 NATO allows for greater max headspace than 308 Win. So test the headspace with a 308 field gage, and DO NOT shoot 308 in it if it fails, even with lower pressure handloads. You are asking for a case head separation, and with the inferior gas venting of the small ring Mauser compared to the large ring, you don't want to go there.

UNLESS you are willing to custom set your resizing die for longer than standard, so a resized case BARELY chambers (this takes trial and error). At that, it's better to use reloadable 7.62 NATO brass, because the base web is thicker.

If the above diatribe is beyond your knowledge of reloading, pass on the "cheap 308" and buy something else.

Safe shooting,
Crunch

[tvfreakarms]

ok well i'll change my mind lol.

Thanks for the info

[borderguy]

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[gun toting monkeyboy]

In case you didn't get the information from the others, DO NOT use .308 ammo in it.

As for the guns themselves, they aren't bad. The craftsmanship is usually below that of a German-made Mauser, especially if it was made during their civil war era (early to mid 1930s). On the other hand, they usually work fairly well. I like my 7mm version better. But I have a 7.62 sporter that I picked up for under $50 long ago. I have used it on and off when I get bored and have some extra 7.62x51 sitting around. If you get one that works (as noted above, not all of them do), they can be handy little guns. If you hand-load, you should be able to fire-form some cases with light loads, then neck-size only to make cases specific to your rifle. That usually helps, as many of these guns don't have their original bolts. The Spanish arsenals were notorious for slapping any bolt into the gun. Though that is usually more of a problem with their 7mm guns.

-Mb

[millelacs0]

FR7 Twist

Anyone know what the twist is on a FR7?

[watt79]

I have one, its not a very good rifle. If you want a 7.62 Mauser, look for one of the South American or Israeli conversions. Those (with the exception of the Chilean 1895 7.62 conversions) will all be built on large ring 98 actions.

[mosinnagantm9130]

I would love to have one in the original 7X57 Mauser. I have absolutely no interest in one in 7.62x51.

Mine is a bit of a beater, but in 7x57. Good bore on it though, it's a sweet shooter.

[Bainter1212]

It's NOT a 308! It can't handle the pressure of a 308. I don't care what these gun dealers say and how many so-called lab tests they performed, IT'S NOT A 308! (I'm a mechanical engineer with 27 years of experience and a Mauser nut, if you're curious about my creds.) It's marginal for 7.62 NATO. You want a cheap 308-type rifle as a shooter? Buy a Mosin Nagant 91/30 long rifle or M44 carbine, and mail order yourself cheap ammo by the spam can.

IF you insist on buying one of these, the other thing you need to be aware of is that 7.62 NATO allows for greater max headspace than 308 Win. So test the headspace with a 308 field gage, and DO NOT shoot 308 in it if it fails, even with lower pressure handloads. You are asking for a case head separation, and with the inferior gas venting of the small ring Mauser compared to the large ring, you don't want to go there.

UNLESS you are willing to custom set your resizing die for longer than standard, so a resized case BARELY chambers (this takes trial and error). At that, it's better to use reloadable 7.62 NATO brass, because the base web is thicker.

If the above diatribe is beyond your knowledge of reloading, pass on the "cheap 308" and buy something else.

Safe shooting,
Crunch

Listen to this man. He is spot on correct.

[gunboat]

any documented reports of m1916's disintegrating? --