slaming mosin rifles

[NOTABIKER]

i do not remember the last time members go out of their way to slam anything except mosins. do they really think we are going to change our minds about them ? . or do they think they are just bad rifles and we need to be informed about them constantly.
their lack of knowledge about them does not bother me , but it does get old every time the subject comes up about them people chime in how they are just cheap rifles. every mosin i ever had shot just fine and i have never had 1 dud surplus 7.62-54r round.
just because the mosin is the last surplus rifle you can find under 150 bucks does not mean it is a poorly made gun. if that was so than most other surplus rifles that used to be cheap must also be poorly made.

[spb_la]

People are pre-conditioned by consumer economy to equate price and quality.
Since millions regular (non-sniper) M91/30s were made, and there are thousands available now, complemented by the fact that US dollar still goes pretty far in Ukraine, we can buy them here in the US for a very low price. But that, as NOTABIKER said, is not at all an indicator of this rifle's quality.

[Tank_0331]

NOTABIKER, I would just sum it up mostly as just ignorance. You have some people who will slam a firearm or rifle just for the way it looks. Others will slam a rifle or firearm just for it's age. I myself first purchased a Mosin Nagant Sniper with a PU scope based on the fact alone that I am a fan of the movie Enemy at the Gates as well as Vasily Zaytsev and his accomplishments during WWII. I found this rifle to be so totally frickin bad *** that I not only went out and purchased another standard 91/30 for myself, but I purchased one for my brother as well. My only complaint is that I can't use surplus ammo on the ranges here in Commiefornia, however, with my stockpile of surplus ammo, when armageddon hits I should be well protected.

As a side note, I was in the Marine Corps and with my talent as a rifleman, I would place my skill with a good old bolt action rifle above most people with an AR or a machine gun!

[SNCaliber]

how can you not like mosins, they are cheap as hell and reliable, every mosin I've shot hasnt had even the slightest hiccup

[E Michael]

I can out shoot anyone my mosin vs their Mauser

[C&Rtrader]

Not all mosins were created equal....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4

but agreed.. slamming them is silly. Frankly I am ok with it. It just means less competition for buying them.

[NOTABIKER]

the above shows not all shooters are created equal also.

[GOEX FFF]

Not all mosins were created equal....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4

but agreed.. slamming them is silly. Frankly I am ok with it. It just means less competition for buying them.

^^ This

Let them think that. When a more rare piece comes up for sale, the ones that slam them will just think it's just a regular ole' "crappy" Mosin won't be in the buying field.
It's like ppl who scoff at corrosive ammo. Good I say! Keep scoffing and leave it all for us surplus junkies.

I noticed this happened a lot too with the A-H M.95 when a mass of them were imported and were selling for $99 bucks. Folks would think the price reflects the quality or ordinary rifle across the board.
When a rarer original WWI piece would surface on the auction sites, it was easy to nab it up for a good price.
Their ignorance is actually a blessing.

[Shorthair]

I don't particularly like Mossin's. But I own one. Why not. They are like cockroaches. Cash and carry Mossin's will be around long after everything else has gone by the wayside.

[Paulie Lugnuts]

That about covers it.

[WASR10]

Remember the flip side to this: Just because someone doesn't like something doesn't make them ignorant of it. I think Mosins are a great buy and are a well made firearm. But I don't like them. I've owned a couple and tried to shoot them until I grew fond of them. But I couldn't. Sometimes its just a matter of preference. So more for you guys!

Of course I do not mean to discount those that trash the mosin without ever having held one, much less shot one.

[C&Rtrader]

With all the mosin supporters in this thread.. I hope some of you are willing to try your hand and the mosin knowledge\rarity thread I posted.

// Not a threadjack.

Back to supporting Mosins.

[Flyin Brian]

I expect Pro-NRA should be in here momentarily with his usual diatribe regarding the $89 Mosin, Sub MOA and the shims/canvas barrel accurizing... blah blah blah

CSA Cannoneer will tell us how he had 4 of them at one point but he couldn't figure out how to shoot them, so they were sold.

Frank (6mmIntl) will accuse us of being Histerical "Moison" collectors since they made 63 Gazillion of them.

I know I am missing someone...

[Crusader]

From my experience, the only people who bash Mosins are the ones too weak to operate the rifle. I took a friend shooting just last weekend who hated my 91/30 because he couldn't open the bolt after firing. And no, I don't have sticky-bolt syndrome

[Crunch130]

You can fall off a horse on either side! The Mosin isn't bad BY DESIGN. But you do have to admit, a lot of the 1942-1944 91/30's had fit, finish, and tolerance problems due to the wartime conditions. Those problems resulted in long, unpredictable trigger actions, feeding problems, and difficult bolt lift to extract a fired case.

If you know what you're getting for your $99, and I know all you guys do, that's fine. But I've seen a few folks at the shooting range new to centerfire rifles, and they bought one of those wartime 91/30's solely due to the low price, and they did not have a great experience.

Consequently, when I decided I wanted to take advantage of cheap & available 7.62X54R ammo, I DID SOME RESEARCH. I do or have owned 6 Mausers, 4 Enfields, an Arisaka, and a couple M-1 Garands. I shot other people's 91/30's and M44's. So, about 4 years ago, I came to the conclusion I would most likely be happy if I bought a Finn. I paid 3X as much for 1943 SAKO M39 built on a 1902 Izhevsk action as a wartime 91/30 sells for.

I could not be happier with it.

Crunch