MN experts

[IEatZ28]

What's up guys, I just put in jail 2 run of the mill MNs 1943 Izhevsk but I notices one has a little "curve" cut into the stock behind the first (or second depending on when you look at it, it's the one by the chamber) it's on both sides and I've never seen that before. What is the purpose of that? The second one doesn't have that

[Rustybore]

You mean the relief cut behind the rear barrel band?

Rb.

[Flyin Brian]

Look on this page for item 6, Barrel Band Finger Grooves:

http://62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinStocks.htm

Here is a photo from the page showing the ones cut by the factory:




There are also some added in the field and the cut is usually very crudely done.

[IEatZ28]

That's it!

[Rustybore]

Those cuts allow access to the rear side of the rear barrel band so it can be removed more easily.
Stocks without the cuts are usually pre WWll.

Here is a web site that is all about the Mosin-Nagant.

http://7.62x54r.net/

Rb.

[IEatZ28]

Damn, so it's pretty common. I was hoping it was slightly less common at least haha. Thank you for your help

[IEatZ28]

But the other 1943 doesn't have it? Both Izhevsk

[IEatZ28]

Thanks man! I figured I better jump on them, they've only been going up in price. I've got one in my safe now, now it has two more friends

[Marcus von W.]

But the other 1943 doesn't have it? Both Izhevsk

The year and arsenal of refurbed Mosins are generally irrelevant to the type of stock on it unless you are really lucky and get one with the original - or at least correct era and style - stock. Many have post-war stocks, earlier stocks, or ones from the other arsenal.

Almost all 1943 Izhevsk 91/30 rifles originally had the stocks with the unlined rear sling slot and a "half-liner" in the front slot, or "half-liners" in both slots. Tula did not use this style stock, only Izhevsk in 1942 and 1943.

Tula used the stocks with the pressed in oval sling slot escutcheons in 1943and 1944, Izhevsk went to this style very late in 1943 and also used them in 1944. The post-war stocks also have the pressed in oval sling slot escutcheons, but can be identified by the dovetailed-in toe piece splice on the butt that many folks think is a repair.

[IEatZ28]

How would you check if it's the original stock?

Damn, you know your stuff, I appreciate it

[timmyboy450]

Very hard to tell, but unscrew the butt plate what marks or numbers do you have? If any.

[IEatZ28]

I'll tell ya in 9 Days! Haha

[Marcus von W.]

Since the stocks on Mosins, like the stocks on U.S. Ww2 era weapons, were not originally serial numbered to the rifle - unlike German Mausers of the same period that are usually serial numbered, waffenamt marked, and have numerious other indicators of the original make and period rifle it went on - there is no way to tell 100% for sure if the stock on a Mosin rifle is original to it, even if it is from the correct period and has the correct arsenal marks on it.

However, there are a number of things that can be used together to determine with some reasonable accuracy and certainty if a stock is probably original or definitely not.

First obviously is if it is the right era and type, and has visible arsenal markings. For instance, a 1944 Izhevsk stock with the pressed in escutcheons and solid buttstock (no dovetailed toe piece) would not be original for a 1939 Izhevsk or Tula rifle.

(Gotta go right now - I will write more on this later when I have the time)

[NOTABIKER]

so my 1944 tula PU does not have the buttstock splice, it does have 1/2 escutcheons front & rear. cant read the large round stamp on the right side of the stock with a smaller round stamp next to it. i was told this was a Izhevsk PU stock used on it at post war referb.

[IEatZ28]

You guys know your stuff. Thanks guys!

Here they are:


-Nick