IBM M1 carbine

[NOTABIKER]

i have a chance to buy a M1 carbine made by IBM. it is owned by a retired cop that got it a long time ago from the ATF. i am not a collector and do not want to pay a premium for a rare M1 carbine. is the IBM more valuable then most M1 carbines ?. i will see the rifle in the next couple of days. i know condition is everything, and i do not know that until i see it. it comes with a bayonet, mags and 400 rounds. i think 800 bucks will be my offer. he has internet print out prices of up to 4,000 dollars ??????

[TRICKSTER]

i have a chance to buy a M1 carbine made by IBM. it is owned by a retired cop that got it a long time ago from the ATF. i am not a collector and do not want to pay a premium for a rare M1 carbine. is the IBM more valuable then most M1 carbines ?. i will see the rifle in the next couple of days. i know condition is everything, and i do not know that until i see it. it comes with a bayonet, mags and 400 rounds. i think 800 bucks will be my offer. he has internet print out prices of up to 4,000 dollars ??????

Just a decent shooter carbine is going for $700-800 and the prices have only been going up. Depending on condition, $800 for the carbine ammo, magazines and bayonet is a good deal.

[dustoff31]

IIRC, IBM accounted for only about 6% of the total carbine production. So rare, not really, but certainly less common.

[ke6guj]

$4k would be for something like a mint condition original carbine that had never been refurbed by an arsenal and was all matching with the correct drawing numbers.

for a basic USGI shooter, $700-800 is fine. now, for some people, IBM is going to worth a little more to them because of the maker. My job is computer related so it would be nice to have a gun made by one of the originators in the computer field. Just like it would be cool to have a Rock-ola since it was made by a jukebox company.

others like International Harvestor M1 Garands because they were made by a tractor company.


and you're looking at a couple hundred bucks in ammo and accessories being included so that will make the deal better overall.

[Sailormilan2]

With M1 Carbines, to get that kind of money it would would have to be in absolute mint condition, and all the parts would have to be original for that that gun. M1 Carbine parts did not have drawing numbers(M1 Garands do), however almost every part was marked with a series of letters(most often, though in select few cases letters and numbers) that had the initials of the part maker and who the part was for. In the case of IBM, each part should have a "B" somewhere.
IBM also used many birch stocks for their carbines. Not all of them were birch, but many. It would not have come from the factory with an M2(pot belly) stock. The stocks will also have makers initials stamped into the left hand sling well. Also, the original sight should be a flip, and there should not be a bayonet lug. Bayonet lugs appeared very late in the war. If you check the gun out, and it has any non original parts, or parts that are not proper for its serial number, then it certainly is not worth $4k. $4k would get you a museum quality piece.

[nastyhabts26]

This is one of the more collectable M-1 Carbines around.
If it is in decent condition and you get it for 800 bucks then you got a heck of a deal.
I would guess real life situation this would go for around 1 $1200.00
unless it is all original and matching numbered parts and then the shy is the limit, there are very-very few of those around.

[NOTABIKER]

i just want a shooter for 800 bucks. if audy Murphy owned it i would pass for big bucks.

[NOTABIKER]

so if it has a bayonet lug on it that is a referb right. less value?

[xrayoneone]

A lot of things come into play as to why one carbine costs more than another. Buy it and shoot it, IBM's aren't exceptionally rare and were among the lowest priced the last time CMP sold carbines. Inland is usually cheapest.

Decent shooters that aren't collectible are the Plainfields, Iver Johnsons and first generation Universals.

[Tom-ADC]

I was thinking of selling mine as a package but when I did a ammo count I found out I have over 2000 rds probably closer to 2500+ heck these are so much fun to shoot I'm going to move it to the front of the safe and start to use it more.

[NOTABIKER]

i was at a small gun store today, his prices are always a few hundred above normal retail. he had 2 WW 2 M1 carbines and he wanted 1,200 each. their are other rifles i would rather have for that price. like a winchester 1895 lever chambered for 7.62-54r that was for sale in a gun store in Westminster ca.

[Grendl]

so if it has a bayonet lug on it that is a referb right. less value?

Generally speaking "yes." If it doesn't have a bayonet lug you should look carefully for a "scar" since it probably had one which was removed at some point.

Same goes for flip sights, but that's easier to spot since the staking leaves a large mark.