Help Identifying Firearms

[chekmate]

Hi Everyone. My dad just showed me two firearms that he had in the house and he wanted some help identifying what they are.

Remington - my guess is a shotgun but I'm not sure. The side of the barrel includes the following, "Patented October 30, 1894; June 16, 1903; June 28, 1904"

Winchester - This rifle includes a serial number and "Model of 1917 Winchester"

How would you check if these guns are still in working condition? If they are in working condition, would they be safe to use? Would you have to register these guns?

Thank you for your help.

[jlmurphy]

The shotgun was probably designed for black powder, so don't fire any modern smokeless shell in it. The Winchester rifle is a sporterized Model 1917, almost certainly in 30-06, and would be safe to fire.

[Emdawg]

Couldn't tell you too much about the shotgun.

The rifle on the other hand is a Model 1917. That was one of our service rifles during the WWI. They were originally in 30.06.

That one has been sportered. Might not be in the same caliber as it has a very strong Mauser-based action and they made great conversions in some of the early high-powered hunting calibers.

Look at the barrel. If it looks original then it probably is still in 30.06.

[TRAP55]

Remington Model No 9 Rider, made 1902-1910, came in 10, 12, 16, 20, 24, and 28ga. Lever on top opens it, the one on the side cocks it. Improved version of the Model 1893/Model 3, with an ejector. Value $350 -$400.

[chekmate]

I'm guessing since the rifle is sportered it has minimal value. Can anyone recommend a gun smith in Los Angeles? How much does a gunsmith generally charge to look at a gun?

Thank you.