C&R question

[el tardo]

so i have two c&R guns, mosin and sks. my question is if i change the stock does it now have to go by 922r rules?

if the stock is ok ,what mods are ok before you have to go by 922r rules?

thanks guys

[Mssr. Eleganté]

so i have two c&R guns, mosin and sks. my question is if i change the stock does it now have to go by 922r rules?

if the stock is ok ,what mods are ok before you have to go by 922r rules?

thanks guys

922(r) only applies to shotguns and semi-auto rifles, so don't worry about the Mosin-Nagant.

For the SKS, you can't do anything to it that would make it "unimportable" without first playing the 922(r) parts count game. Military surplus firearms are only importable if they are C&R and in "original configuration". So if your SKS is a military surplus firearm then you need to keep it in "original configuration" unless you want to do the 922(r) parts count thing. Here's what ATF says about "original configuration" as it pertains to C&R military surplus firearms...

[glennsche]

Mssr. Elegante wins.

I think to paraphrase, if you replace a part with the same type, you're probably ok. if you replace with new hotness, you're going to change it's status.

or at least, from my chairborne ranger perspective, that's how i interpret whats been presented here.

[el tardo]

thank you guys for the answer.

now would adding a muzzle brake to the sks change its status?

thank you,very grateful for the answers

[Mssr. Eleganté]

...now would adding a muzzle brake to the sks change its status?

All we have to go on is this statement from ATF...

It is also the opinion of FTB, however, that a minor change such as the addition of scope mounts, non-original sights, or sling swivels would not remove a firearm from its original condition.

Their logic makes no sense to me. They say permanent mods like drilling and tapping for a scope or drilling the stock for sling swivels is fine, but a completely reversible mod like a plastic stock is not. They haven't stopped any of the big importers or distributors from removing the grenade launchers from Yugo M59/66 rifles and replacing them with muzzle brakes, so my gut feeling is they wouldn't care about adding a muzzle brake to an SKS. But the only way to know for sure is to write to Technical Branch and ask for their opinion (or if they even care about 922(r)).

[asm_]

Interesting read here. A guy sent a similar question directly to ATF.

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=4436&highlight=questions+posed

An ATF reply from another C&R FFL in regards to parts replacement. Besides parts replacement question, another question asked was about the set criteria to determine when a C&R firearm must be log out/in of the bound book. Interestingly enough, ATF does require 03FFL to log out an firearm when loaning to a friend. I wonder if an 03FFL would also require to log a C&R firearm into his/her bound book should a friend loan him/her an C&R firearm.

[littlejake]

Interesting read here. A guy sent a similar question directly to ATF.

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=4436&highlight=questions+posed

An ATF reply from another C&R FFL in regards to parts replacement. Besides parts replacement question, another question asked was about the set criteria to determine when a C&R firearm must be log out/in of the bound book. Interestingly enough, ATF does require 03FFL to log out an firearm when loaning to a friend. I wonder if an 03FFL would also require to log a C&R firearm into his/her bound book should a friend loan him/her an C&R firearm.

From that letter, I believe this part is not true for a C&R license:
3. When my C&R license expires and if I decide to not renew it, am I still required to keep my records for 20 years? I understand that I must keep my records for 20 years as long as I am a licensed collector. If I let my license expire then I am no longer a licensed collector, since I am no longer a licensed collector, am I still required to keep my bound book for 20 years? As I read the law, it only speaks of licensed collectors and not formerly licensed collectors.

When your FFL license expires and is not renewed or you "go out of business" you are required to turn over your record to the Out of Business Records section of the ATF Industry Record Branch.

[ShadowX]

From that letter, I believe this part is not true for a C&R license:
3. When my C&R license expires and if I decide to not renew it, am I still required to keep my records for 20 years? I understand that I must keep my records for 20 years as long as I am a licensed collector. If I let my license expire then I am no longer a licensed collector, since I am no longer a licensed collector, am I still required to keep my bound book for 20 years? As I read the law, it only speaks of licensed collectors and not formerly licensed collectors.

When your FFL license expires and is not renewed or you "go out of business" you are required to turn over your record to the Out of Business Records section of the ATF Industry Record Branch.

That is NOT true! You do not have to turn in any record when your FFL03 license expires since a FFL03 is not for a "business". I would keep the records in storage for your own protection, but I would not turn it in.

See the ATF web site FAQ below.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/curios-relics.html

Q: Are licensed collectors required to turn in their acquisition/disposition records to ATF if their collector’s license is not renewed or they discontinue their collecting activity?

No. The GCA requires the delivery of required records to the Government within 30 days after a firearm “business” is discontinued. A license as a collector of curios or relics does not authorize any business with respect to firearms. This is in contrast to firearm importers, manufacturers, and dealers who are licensed to engage in a firearms business. Therefore, the records required to be kept by licensed collectors under the law and regulations are not business records and are not required to be turned in to ATF when collectors’ licenses are not renewed or collecting activity under such licenses is discontinued.