mosin accuracy

[dwa]

what kind of accuracy should i expect from my m38. at 25m i get a 1-2in group but out at 100m it turns into a 3 ft group. if you think theres a deficency with my rifle could you describe what it would be in detail im not very familiar with what the problems could be or look like.

[thefinger]

what kind of accuracy should i expect from my m38. at 25m i get a 1-2in group but out at 100m it turns into a 3 ft group. if you think theres a deficency with my rifle could you describe what it would be in detail im not very familiar with what the problems could be or look like.

A mosin carbine in good condition should do better than that, granted you know how to shoot. The barrels on many of the old mosins are pretty worn out. I'm not sure about the best fix, but you could always buy another one with a decent barrel and muzzle.

[sloguy]

2 inch at 25 yards doubles at 50 and doubles again at 100 yards. you should be shooting 8 inch groups at 100 yards if you are shooting 2 inch at 25. id say your problem is eyesight. im guilty of that myself. i shoot rather poorly at 100 yards cause i cant see where im aiming very well. i need a high powered scope to see my target.

[corpsedub]

have you bedded the barrel yet? a small peice of cork does wonders.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu63.htm

[LibertyOptics]

the worst shooting mosin I've ever shot did about 6 MOA. 2-3 MOA is standard for a nice M44, M91/59, or M39, IMO. My M28/30 does 1-1.25 MOA.

In short, these are as accurate as any milsurp.

[Chaingun]

have you bedded the barrel yet? a small peice of cork does wonders.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu63.htm

He recently showed the liquid metal epoxy bedding method

[Fate]

Make sure your action bolts are snug. Loose bolts or a rifle whose barrel lug does not seat against the crossbolt/stock will have wildly varying accuracy. Sometimes a shim or two of thin aluminum (think pop can) are what's needed to help tighten up the contact point behind the barrel recoil lug and the stock.

[dwa]

i forgot to mention i have it in an ati monte carlo stock, would putting the barrel bands on it help? i have no problem shooting out to 300m with an m-4 so i dont think its me.

[Fate]

When the action bolts are removed, does the rifle move if you try and slide the action in the stock? If it moves, you need to shim it. If not, concentrate on the bolts. Tighten the lug bolt (front one) first and tightest. The rear bolt doesn't have to be as tight (can just be "snug").

Common belief is that the bands won't help in general, but some rifles actually like some pressure by the muzzle end band. Some Finnish variations of the Mosin have the barrel pretty snug at the nosecap, and they have produced some of the most accurate Mosins ever made.

[biscuitninja]

I've been shooting 1-2 MOA with an old 91/30 With my custom 91/30 I'm shooting MOA @ 400 yards (4"). Make no mistake you better have the right ammo or you won't make it out there....

The custom mosin is bedded, corked and has a updated trigger and a new barrel (which cost a small fortune).
good luck
-bix

[Xerxes]

2 inch at 25 yards doubles at 50 and doubles again at 100 yards. you should be shooting 8 inch groups at 100 yards if you are shooting 2 inch at 25. id say your problem is eyesight. im guilty of that myself. i shoot rather poorly at 100 yards cause i cant see where im aiming very well. i need a high powered scope to see my target.

I agree, the math is funny for 3 feet at 100yards. Unless the bullet has some tumble or yaw causing some exponential increase over time in drag coefficient I can not see what would be doing this.

Have you looked at the crown? Did they counter bore these rifles and is yours? Does it look like and nicks, even the itty bitty tiny kind?

What about the bullets? What kind are you using?

This is about the only things I can think of that would cause such a rapid loss in grouping between 25m to 100m.

I am inclined like SLO guy that it is shooter related and maybe has to do with how you are measuring those 1-2" groups and your timing hand eye coordination in shooting at 100 yards as the old european style (on barrel) iron sites can be a bit hard on the over 40 year old bunch.

Do you have another similar rifle with those same kind of sites (iron, on barrel) and if so how well do you shoot it at 100 yards?

Anyways welcome to the California Mosin Owners Forums (I believe owning at least one Mosin from Big 5 or through your C&R is required to view threads here and to have the right to post you need at least 4 mosins and 3k in ammo).

GOOD LUCK!

[caldude]

Anyways welcome to the California Mosin Owners Forums (I believe owning at least one Mosin from Big 5 or through your C&R is required to view threads here and to have the right to post you need at least 4 mosins and 3k in ammo).

Here I thought I was doing good with my collection, but with only 3 Mosins, and 2.5K in ammo, I still don't qualify.

However, I do have a growing collection of other mil-surps and ammo, so I'll claim Honorary Membership.

[macadamizer]

Here I thought I was doing good with my collection, but with only 3 Mosins, and 2.5K in ammo, I still don't qualify.

However, I do have a growing collection of other mil-surps and ammo, so I'll claim Honorary Membership.

What's the minimum for honorary membership? I have 2 M44's and a 91/30, and about 1700 rounds of milsurp, but another 200+ rounds in brass that I keep reloading and shooting -- is that good enough?

[dwa]

well i compared it to my 10/22 today. 10/22 easily won at 100 yards. mosin 2-3in group at 25m, it didnt really group at 100 more like a vertical line highest shot being even with the target lowest being at bottem of the paper. wish i took pictures now lol. 10/22 did 6in group at 100m. there was a fairly strong wind but i dont think 22lr has a real chance to out preform 7.62x54r and i would think the wind would be an advantage for the mosin. i did change ammo for 80s bulgarian surplus to 50s bulgarian surplus. there was an accuracy increase. but no group, could be my sight picture or my breathing if its me i would lean more toward sight picture however the side by side comparison with the 10/22 made me belive it was more the mosin than me unfortunatly. guess i just gotta go get me a nice m39 then

[Ironchef]

My 91/30 can do 1MOA at 100 yds, but when I shoot it, I get around 10MOA at 100 yds. Must be something wrong with the rifle.