T53 Cleaning Rod Comparison

[Chaos47]

So I happened to get 2 cleaning rods in my last batch of T53 Carbines from J&G.
There is a lot of talk here and there on the web about what a proper T53 cleaning rod looks like, so I thought I would post photos.
I have no idea if these are actual original rods but hey they did come on T53's so they are at least proper.
They could be SKS or something else rods for all I know.

Here's some comparison photos:








Top to Bottom / Right to Left:
T53 Threaded Rod - Worn off Finish - Slightly Grooved head - - 18 3/8th Inch
T53 Non-threaded Pressure Fit Rod - Worn off Finish - Smashed Grooved head - 17 1/4th Inch
M38 Threaded Rod - Blued - Nice Grooves - Slightly Below 17 3/4th Inch
GRG MFG "SKS" Threaded Rod - On a T53 - Parkerized like finish - Smooth Head - 17 3/4th Inch
Sorry I don't have a Russian M44 to compare

The 2nd T53 one is kinda cool, it doesn't have threads so it has a slight bend in it to hold it in. I have no idea if this was factory or improvised. Probably improvised.
Which works out well because the T53 1953.12 SHI Marked I put it ons cleaning rod nut is all gunked up and I have not been able to remove it and clean it out.


The GRG MFG "SKS" Rod can be found here:

http://www.amazon.com/SKS-CT-1006-Cleaning-Rod/dp/B0069DYVQQ/ref=aag_m_pw_dp?ie=UTF8&m=A1HZY90HEPA6YB

They currently sell for 5.95 so it's a great value if you are just using it for looks to replace a missing rod. They use the same thread pitch so they thread in no problem if your rod nut isn't gunked up.

GRG sells Mosin Carbine Rods too but I suspect that they are just the same rod and they want more for those rods..

[GOEX FFF]

I believe the consensus is, that all T-53 Chinese rods have the short smooth heads.

The other couple appear to be the common knurled-head, M44 and M38 rods.

[Chaos47]

Did you even bother to read my post?

[GOEX FFF]

lol. I did, and if you're saying that reading from right to left that the first and second one are from a T53...They're knurled (or rather, straight, groove) heads.
Original T53 Chinese rod heads are known to be smooth, not knurled. I don't see how else to read it. Clue us in perhaps as to why they're knurled and you say they're Chinese T53 rods....

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinFeatures09.htm

[Chaos47]

Try to back peddle all you want but you said "The other couple appear to be the common knurled-head, M44 and M38 rods.", which if you had taken a second to actually read my post you would know exactly what they are as I wrote what they are. Look at the title of the thread "Comparison" the photos show a comparison between rods I have.

I know what 7.62x54r.net says honestly I think it is incorrect. Its probably based off of old Navy Arms imported rifles which where known to be refurbished. Note 7.62x54r.net says "typical for this model" not this is the only known rod.

The recent T53's are unmolested, the rods might not be original but they did come on un-refurbished rifles.

[GOEX FFF]

Dude, no one is back-peddling. When I said "The other couple appear to be the common knurled-head, M44 and M38 rods." I was referring to the couple (two) reading right to left in your pic that you said were Chinese T53 rods.
I don't see how there is "comparison" when you further state they're T53 rods.

Top to Bottom / Right to Left:
T53 Threaded Rod - Worn off Finish - Slightly Grooved head - - 18 3/8th Inch
T53 Non-threaded Pressure Fit Rod - Worn off Finish - Smashed Grooved head - 17 1/4th Inch

If you want to dispute Tom's info at 7.62x54r.net, take it up with him. The consensus between the guys who know Mosins on other boards say the same thing about Chinese T53 rod heads as being the smooth style.

[Chaos47]

lol I can barely keep up your constantly editing of your posts. Do you know how silly that makes you look? Every single one of your posts you have edited. Two plus hours of changes on the last one alone. And we are not just talking about fixing a spelling mistake, you keep changing major parts of it. Still trying to make your point look more valid and are failing miserably. It's really sad.

Funny these T53 rods look just like mine! Guess they are lying to their customers...

https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=1811&idcategory=41

I'm sure you will have another snarky comment but honestly I'm done wasting my time with you.

[GOEX FFF]

lol I can barely keep up your You're constantly editing of your posts. Do you know how silly that makes you look? Every single one of your posts you have edited. Two plus hours of changes on the last one alone. And we are not just talking about fixing a spelling mistake, you keep changing major parts of it. Still trying to make your point look more valid and are failing miserably. It's really sad.

Funny these T53 rods look just like mine! Guess they are lying to their customers...

https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=1811&idcategory=41

I'm sure you will have another snarky comment but honestly I'm done wasting my time with you.

lol. Cool I could really care less. I'm not here to make a buddy. In my first post, I made one comment that your rods appear to be M44 and M38 rods as opposed to what is known to be Chinese T53 style rods, and rather than have a normal conversion, you start off by a snarky comment of your own.

I edited my post because there is no point in debating it further in supplying more facts from web sites of the ones clearly in-the-know in the Mosin world when you state you'll just disagree them. At the same time, you state "I have no idea", yet you keep trying to come off like you do. Who's failing miserably?

BTW: If you want to talk about spelling mistakes, the contraction for "you are" is "you're", not "your".

And LibertyTree is not the end all be all of complete facts.

See ya!

[billmaykafer]

my 1954.9 T53 has the correct smooth non knurled head on it. the other rods in photo are M44 type with knurled end. look on knurled rods for Izhevsk triangle with arrow inside. about 1"-2" from end that will tell if non chinese cleaning rod.

[GOEX FFF]

^^ THANK YOU

Even in the photo on the damaged rod at the very top, looks like it could have the Izhevsk triangle.

ETA: for