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  • glennsche
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2009
    • 1831

    The Ultimate Collector's Piece in Swiss Militaria: The GOTTHARDBESTECK

    Gents,

    Well, my time in Switzerland is coming to a close and soon will be back in California after 3 years here in Zurich. I've gotten a number of nice pieces since I've been here (primarily shakos) and a number of smaller things which i've sold to a number of you.

    Today I took possession of what is to me the Holy Grail of Swiss C&R Militaria (aside from the stgw57): The 1879 Engineer Shortsword and Spike Bayonet combo, know affectionately here amongst the Swiss as the the "gotthardbesteck", or "gotthard (pass) silverware", since the primary recipients of this piece of kit were engineer/pioniere/sapeur units manning the fortresses (and the Gotthard pass, which connects switzerland to italy).

    I've been looking for one of these for ages and finally got it! This one's stamped 1879. A little bit of spotting on the blade but no serious pitting. What it DID have a lot of was very fresh copper oxidization along the frog rivets and sheath edges which very easiyl wiped away. Made me a little nervous, cant wait to eezox it and protect it better. The leather's in decent shape, no rust, some age old cosmoline stains on the sheath, and the leather sheath almost seals (.5cm gap), which makes me think this was stored in near perfect conditions until recently, when it picked up the oxidization. glad i could get it and clean that off before it damaged anything.

    without further ado, here are the pics!

    1. shown with a swiss enlisted dragoon sword and g11 bayonet (same size as the 1918 k31 bayo) for size comparison


    2. with the shako of the type of unit who would've worn these


    3.

    4.
    "If the American Left wanted to decrease interest in shooting, they should have the government make it mandatory like they do here in Switzerland. Nothing makes you not want to do something like when the government makes you do it."

    "I'm over you." -Citadelgrad87

  • #2
    luvtolean
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2006
    • 2063

    Congratulations!

    I need to visit Switzerland...

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    • #3
      mj1
      Veteran Member
      • Apr 2006
      • 3318

      Well done.
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      • #4
        Flyin Brian
        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
        • Oct 2009
        • 3395

        Nice find!! I love seeing this kind of stuff
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        • #5
          GOEX FFF
          ☆ North Texas ☆
          CGN Contributor
          • Jun 2007
          • 6739

          Beautiful! Thanks for sharing and have safe travels back to the States!
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          • #6
            1-M-42
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2010
            • 1232

            Way cool!
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            • #7
              backccopy
              Junior Member
              • Jan 2013
              • 3

              i think so,Beautiful! Thanks for sharing and have safe travels back to the States!

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              • #8
                Jester3
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2012
                • 1132

                WOW! History in your hands my friend, and in wonderful condition. You sound like you know how to care for your treasures. Congrats.

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                • #9
                  bsg
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 25954

                  thanks for sharing your newly acquired pieces of history.

                  congrats.

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                  • #10
                    echo1
                    Veteran Member
                    • Apr 2010
                    • 3848

                    That's some great militaria you've got. It's good to know what you're looking at/for when you come across it.Have a safe trip. PAX
                    You need a crew

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                    • #11
                      CDFingers
                      Banned
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 1852

                      Pretty durn cool, man.

                      CDFingers

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                      • #12
                        Mr. Beretta
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Dec 2005
                        • 6614

                        Bravo !

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                        • #13
                          glennsche
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 1831

                          thanks dudes!

                          when i get to put my two collections together (all my helmets, all of which are here in Switzerland, i just had to bring them with me when i moved here, with all of my rifles and bayonets, which are all in California) i hope to be able to form a C&R Voltron.

                          Hopefully, and i wont know this until april or so, this spike bayo in this set will fit my 1911 long rifle. according to guisan (our guru on such things), some of these had the correct diameter, some didnt.
                          "If the American Left wanted to decrease interest in shooting, they should have the government make it mandatory like they do here in Switzerland. Nothing makes you not want to do something like when the government makes you do it."

                          "I'm over you." -Citadelgrad87

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                          • #14
                            Guisan
                            In Memoriam
                            • Sep 2012
                            • 368

                            14mm ring diameter fits the carbines and 15mm fits the long rifles. Sometimes the serial number is an indication what it is for (higher serials are always 1889).

                            When that spike bayonet was never changed out for another one it is for a 1889. The frog was made in 1879, the bayonet was added later.
                            Your cavalry sabre scabbard was made black during WWI.
                            Fight to your last cartridge, then fight with your bayonets.
                            No surrender. Fight to the death.

                            Gen. Henri Guisan, Switzerland, July '40

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                            http://theswissriflesdotcommessageboard.yuku.com/

                            Email: guisan-info@bluewin.ch

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                            • #15
                              marysdad
                              Member
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 153

                              Really nice!
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