C&R question

[panzerman]

I have a C&R license and have purchased several firearms on GB without any issues from out of state but lately have run into a stone wall with 3 sellers who wanted a CFLC letter in order to ship to me. Correct me if I am wrong but CFLC applies to FFL 01 not 03's and as long as the firearm is C&R eligible and has no CA restrictions and/or is not a handgun there should not be issues, right?

[littlejake]

I have a C&R license and have purchased several firearms on GB without any issues from out of state but lately have run into a stone wall with 3 sellers who wanted a CFLC letter in order to ship to me. Correct me if I am wrong but CFLC applies to FFL 01 not 03's and as long as the firearm is C&R eligible and has no CA restrictions and/or is not a handgun there should not be issues, right?

You are correct. CFLC is for CA dealers receiving firearms. 03's are not even in the CFLC system. It does need to be a long gun 50 years old or greater.

Things change in 2014 with one of Portantino's new laws.

[emcon5]

http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/cflcfaqs

Are any California FFLs exempt from the CFLC verification approval requirement?

Yes. The CFLC program does not apply to FFLs with Type 03 (curio and relic collectors) and Type 06 (ammunition dealers) licenses.

[LCU1670]

You are correct. CFLC is for CA dealers receiving firearms. 03's are not even in the CFLC system. It does need to be a long gun 50 years old or greater.

Things change in 2014 with one of Portantino's new laws.

What's the 2014 change?

[littlejake]

What's the 2014 change?

The exemption from dealer transfer for C&R long guns 50 years or older ends.
We have been able to FTF transfer C&R long guns over 50 years old with no paper or license between CA residents.

CA DOJ begins to collect actual data on dealer transfers -- de facto long gun registration begins.

Now, how does this affect a C&R? Don't take this as the Gospel; I'm not 100% sure. IFAIK, a CA 03 with a COE will be permitted to acquire C&R long guns (including those less than 50 years old); but, they will have to file a form that in essence registers them. That's got +'s and -'s. How will out-of-state sellers react to one more straw on the camel's back? Since the CFLC was introduced in July 2008, many more OOS sellers will not sell to a CA resident. Now they will have to get a copy of our COE. More OOS sellers will ditch CA.

[GOEX FFF]

The exemption from dealer transfer for C&R long guns 50 years or older ends.
We have been able to FTF transfer C&R long guns over 50 years old with no paper or license between CA residents.

CA DOJ begins to collect actual data on dealer transfers -- de facto long gun registration begins.

Now, how does this affect a C&R? Don't take this as the Gospel; I'm not 100% sure. IFAIK, a CA 03 with a COE will be permitted to acquire C&R long guns (including those less than 50 years old); but, they will have to file a form that in essence registers them. That's got +'s and -'s. How will out-of-state sellers react to one more straw on the camel's back? Since the CFLC was introduced in July 2008, many more OOS sellers will not sell to a CA resident. Now they will have to get a copy of our COE. More OOS sellers will ditch CA.

I don't think that's so. Where are you getting that sending a COE to out-of-state seller is a requirement in the AB809 bill?
Yes, an 03 in CA will have to have a COE, and a CA friendly out-of-state seller might ask for one anyhow, (which would be no big deal) but there is no requirement to send it to an out-of-state seller along with an 03.

I'm not 100% sure. IFAIK, a CA 03 with a COE will be permitted to acquire C&R long guns (including those less than 50 years old);

And yes true, but that comes with AB809, and the ONLY good thing about AB809 is that the CA 50+ only law goes away, and ALL C&R's on the ATF's list will be C&R in CA.

You are correct. CFLC is for CA dealers receiving firearms. 03's are not even in the CFLC system. It does need to be a long gun 50 years old or greater.

Things change in 2014 with one of Portantino's new laws.

Also, keeping with the OP's original post, come 2014, there will be no change in the out-of-state 01 FFL-to-CA 03 FFL CFLC exemption.
(maybe you were tagging that last line to the your last sentence, but it just sounded confusing)

It was also Der Feuer's bill AB809 that is long gun reg. not Portantino's.

[LCU1670]

Thanks.

[panzerman]

Thanks to all, I appreciate it.