Need Help with Garand ID and Info (UPDATED - PICS)

[goodlookin1]

Hey guys,

I dont frequent the C&R forum much, but just came across a need to do so. I know a guy who wants to trade my AR lower for an M1 Garand and we're trying to evaluate what each is worth to come to a fair trade agreement. I know the AR market right now and dont really have any questions as to prices of that stuff. But I dont know ANYTHING about C&R Rifles like the M1 Garand. All I know is that it is a Springfield and the serial # is: 216306 (on the top of the receiver). The muzzle condition is great as sticking a bullet down the muzzle shows basically no wear. The buttplate has the original cleaning kit contents, which is cool. Stock as a few very minor dings, but nothing major at all.

My question is, how do I know if it has matching serial numbers, or if it has all original parts? I was told if it was sold by CMP, it would be in the $1000-$1500 range. The guy who owns it has no reason to cheat me.....he is my friend so I'm not worried about getting a bummer deal. And it's a nice looking Garand: That much I can tell.

Any help in where I should start in appraising this beast? Links or suggestions would be very much appreciated.

Thanks.

[kurac]

you can go to odcmp.org and check out what they are selling rifles for at the moment. They come in different grades. Since its a WWII receiver, it would be worth more if it had a WWII dated barrel. Very few are found that way, most have been rebuilt several times over the last 70+ and will include a mixture of parts from different manufacturers and decades. That is pretty much how 90% of them are and one in decent shape would start off about $750 retail. If its nicer than average with more original parts maybe $900, if its have mostly correct parts it can be worth a lot more, collectors will pay big bucks for WWII stocks with original cartouches, -1,-2 op rods and other early parts. I have a Springfield Garand that came with a Winchester windage knob I think that part alone is $100+

[pro-nra]

To get an accurate evaluation, you will need to post some pics. Also, sticking a .30 cal bullet does not tell you the MW numbers as the difference from MW 1 to MW 2 is .001" and you simply can not tell a .001" difference just by looking at it. You will need a MW along with a TE gauge.

As kurac mentioned, original WWII stock and barrel adds couple of hundred dollars. Unlike European manufacturer, US armories did not serial numbered each part (thank the Lord) as only the receiver has serial number. Instead as in the case of Garand, they use drawing #s. Assuming the tube is good, replacement stock I would guess around $800 sight unseen.

[GMG]

By the serial number, the rifle shows to have been mfg. between March & April 1941.

[Lone_Gunman]

Is it a stripped lower or a complete lower? Either way I'd trade in a heartbeat. They don't have the votes for an AW ban, it's DOA IMHO. They MAY get a hi-cap mag ban so keep those, but I'd trade a lower for a Garand right now.

[goodlookin1]

Is it a stripped lower or a complete lower? Either way I'd trade in a heartbeat. They don't have the votes for an AW ban, it's DOA IMHO. They MAY get a hi-cap mag ban so keep those, but I'd trade a lower for a Garand right now.

It's a complete lower, and I'm throwing in an extra 16" barrel that I'm not using, flash hider, hand guard, A2 gas block and gas tube, broken upper receiver that he might be able to fix......basically a rifle without a bolt or BCG and a broken upper receiver that I bunked up (dont ask). He cant find a lower anywhere and he's got an extra Garand.

[goodlookin1]

So I took some pics and got a little more info. This was an M1 that was purchased from CMP about 20 years ago, back when they didnt have the grading system that they do now. I believe this was back when they had a lot better rifles as well. Now the more rare ones are hard to find, I guess? Also, it looks like the stock has been changed and also the gas block says "HRA" on it, so it must have been a rebuild or something. Needs to be dusted off and cleaned up a bit, but other than that it looks pretty good to me. Any extra light anyone can shed would be much appreciated.

Here are the pics:

[goodlookin1]

More pics:




Whats this red marking on the underside of the grip?

[Eljay]

Whats this red marking on the underside of the grip?

I seem to recall it's from the arsenal rebuild, and valuable to some folks, so don't clean it off.

I'd post the pictures on the CMP forum and ask but what I see with inexpert eyes is a rifle that went through an arsenal rebuild and didn't get much use after that. Probably a birch stock, not a lot of early parts on it. But I could be wrong.

[kurac]

its a mix master, NM Oprod, late Postwar bolt, Birch Stock, Walnut handguards. I would place the value between $700-$800 retail. I think you could order one from the CMP for $650 shipped

[mls343]

Trade for it. Yes, it's a mixmaster, but she looks pretty clean and shooting/collecting M1's is an awesome experience! Just wait until you first "ping."

[Sailormilan2]

It looks like a "lead dipped heel". Heels were dipped into molten lead to aneal them, to prevent cracking. Change in metalurgy caused the heel to be darker when parkerized.

Like this:

[Justintoxicated]

The HRA gas plug has seen better days, is the front sight solid? It must be either a field grade or service grade by todays standards. Stock looks nice although its miss matched, cooler than most of the new birch stocks I think.

[Orlando]

The stock is a Letterkenny Arsenal rebuild stock. Are the letters "LEAD" along with a date electric penciled on the side of the receiver legs? If so its the correct stock for a 1960's rebuild
Its a rifle that can be bought from CMP for $625 plus shipping

[thehummerguy]

that Receiver in that SN range is WW2, early to Boot....very desirable for reeanctors as there Kit is required to be authentic and period correct.
While you can get a Garand from CMP, most folks don't and have to pay more...you also don;t know what your going to get from CMP either is regards to parts mix...I have numerous CMP guns, expect WRA,SA and GRA mixed from all periods...you need the book to look up Drawing numbers to see approx dates of Mfg...