Egyptian HAKIM 8mm- symbols 3 stars and half moon?

[Calplinker]

Arithmetic

Amost forgot, those that are looking for a Hakim via shipped to a C&R here in CA need to look for one dated 1962 or earlier in order to insure that it is 50+ years old, as there is no way to determine what month it was manufactured in. I know that no one here wants to risk breaking the law.

I'm sure you meant to type 1963. Don't forget it is now 2013.

As I said earlier, it is very easy to translate the Egyptian to determine the build date. Convincing someone on Gunbroker our outside CA to ship to you is another matter. I bought mine locally after striking out a few from GB who refused to ship to CA.

Back in 2011, finding one with a 61 build date was not easy. I would think finding one now with a 61, 62 or 63 date would be a lot easier.

Every year, more and more fine guns become available to us!!!!

Hakim's are a blast to shoot, literally. Mine is always the loudest gun at the range and sets off car alarms up and down the shooting line. I thought an SVT or M44 was loud until I shot the Hakim.

[captainsavaho]

I'm sure you meant to type 1963. Don't forget it is now 2013.

As I said earlier, it is very easy to translate the Egyptian to determine the build date. Convincing someone on Gunbroker our outside CA to ship to you is another matter. I bought mine locally after striking out a few from GB who refused to ship to CA.

Back in 2011, finding one with a 61 build date was not easy. I would think finding one now with a 61, 62 or 63 date would be a lot easier.

Every year, more and more fine guns become available to us!!!!

Hakim's are a blast to shoot, literally. Mine is always the loudest gun at the range and sets off car alarms up and down the shooting line. I thought an SVT or M44 was loud until I shot the Hakim.

Louder than SVT or M44 sounds amazing to me !!! Luv it

[TRICKSTER]

I'm sure you meant to type 1963. Don't forget it is now 2013.

No, I meant 1962. As there is no way to prove what day or month it was manufactured in, there is no way to prove that a Hakim made in 1963 is 50 years old. For instance, the only Hakims made in 1963 that would be 50 years old would be those made on or before January, 10, 1963. Since there is no way to determine the exact date of manufacture, to be legal, you must wait for the year to be over.

[Calplinker]

Silliness

HA!! Do you count days too? 50 years is 50 years. If you feel safer holding out for 51 years, then do as you wish.

[TRICKSTER]

HA!! Do you count days too? 50 years is 50 years. If you feel safer holding out for 51 years, then do as you wish.

No, I don't count days, I also don't play fast and loose with the rules and laws.
For example, a Hakim built in July of 1963 would not be 50 years old and that is a fact.
I take the laws and responsibilities that come with being a 03FFL seriously.
Yours is exactly the attitude that will result in a crackdown on C&R holders in this state.

[Calplinker]

Sermon

No, I don't count days, I also don't play fast and loose with the rules and laws.
For example, a Hakim built in July of 1963 would not be 50 years old and that is a fact.
I take the laws and responsibilities that come with being a 03FFL seriously.
Yours is exactly the attitude that will result in a crackdown on C&R holders in this state.

Oh please, spare me the sermonizing. The Hakim is named as a C&R on the ATF's website, regardless of age. No different than CZ pistols manufactured in the 80's or even 90's. Same as P1's manufactured in the 60's or 70's.

Honest folks can disagree whether purchases of C&R's under 50 years old from out of state must COME from an FFL versus an individual, but there is absolutely no way to know what month a Hakim (or most guns) were manufactured in.

My view is long guns with a 1963 date on them are fair game. If you'd rather wait until late December of this year "to be safe", knock yourself out.

I've never heard of such silliness. If you can point me to something on CalDOJ's website that leads authority to your claims, I'm happy to entertain it.

Until then, stop making accusations that anyone who doesn't agree with you is playing fast and loose with the rules.

Your opinion is just that.

[Dr.Mauser]

Ive seen them run from $400-$1200, depends on where you look, and whos selling.

[TRICKSTER]

Oh please, spare me the sermonizing. The Hakim is named as a C&R on the ATF's website, regardless of age. No different than CZ pistols manufactured in the 80's or even 90's. Same as P1's manufactured in the 60's or 70's.

Honest folks can disagree whether purchases of C&R's under 50 years old from out of state must COME from an FFL versus an individual, but there is absolutely no way to know what month a Hakim (or most guns) were manufactured in.

My view is long guns with a 1963 date on them are fair game. If you'd rather wait until late December of this year "to be safe", knock yourself out.

I've never heard of such silliness. If you can point me to something on CalDOJ's website that leads authority to your claims, I'm happy to entertain it.

Until then, stop making accusations that anyone who doesn't agree with you is playing fast and loose with the rules.

Your opinion is just that.

It's not a matter of disagreeing with an opinion, it is state law, something I spent 30+ years of enforcing as well as working cases with CA DOJ..
Read CA Penal Code 27545 and 27965.

[Calplinker]

Disagreement

Still not buying it. Academic anyway as I'm not in the market for a Hakim. Now, if you have an SVT laying around, we can talk.

[TRICKSTER]

Still not buying it. Academic anyway as I'm not in the market for a Hakim. Now, if you have an SVT laying around, we can talk.

You don't have to "buy it" it's the law plain and simple. Hopefully others will not take such a cavalier attitude toward following it and not cause potential problems for the rest of us.

[Calplinker]

Whatever. I think you are loony but that's just my opinion.

I'll just go on about my cavalier way. .

[KAIFS]

what are you guys are fighting about? there are confirmed dated Hakim rifles up until 1969 (with about 2k production run that year), meanwhile the MOST COMMON YEAR (8k production run) is: 1965.
so known production span is: 1956-1969.
it does NOT change the fact that it can be either or as far as C&R. Again, with the most common 1965 as far as production year that makes that rifle 48years old at best.
I do agree there are NO way of telling what month a rifle was produced at.

With that said, with my (one I have listed for sale above) 1962 Hakim do I feel comfortable shipping it to a C&R - Yes. Do you wonder why I waited until beginning of a year 2013 to sell it ??? Why risk it? you don't think ATF can translate few arabic/persian numbers? I do not know Arabic or Persian and I was able to date mine by simply googling 'Arabic numbers translate english'
١٩٦٢ = 1962

[TRICKSTER]

what are you guys are fighting about? there are confirmed dated Hakim rifles up until 1969 (with about 2k production run that year), meanwhile the MOST COMMON YEAR (8k production run) is: 1965.
so known production span is: 1956-1969.
it does NOT change the fact that it can be either or as far as C&R. Again, with the most common 1965 as far as production year that makes that rifle 48years old at best.
I do agree there are NO way of telling what month a rifle was produced at.

With that said, with my (one I have listed for sale above) 1962 Hakim do I feel comfortable shipping it to a C&R - Yes. Do you wonder why I waited until beginning of a year 2013 to sell it ??? Why risk it? you don't think ATF can translate few arabic/persian numbers? I do not know Arabic or Persian and I was able to date mine by simply googling 'Arabic numbers translate english'
١٩٦٢ = 1962

No fighting here, just attempting to pass on info so people don't unknowingly break CA law. If those that choose to, do it, that's their choice and problem, but denying that the law exist on a public forum and thereby encouraging people to make an illegal purchase is just irresponsible and not needed especially in todays political climate.

[KAIFS]

I'm sure you meant to type 1963. Don't forget it is now 2013.

As I said earlier, it is very easy to translate the Egyptian to determine the build date. Convincing someone on Gunbroker our outside CA to ship to you is another matter. I bought mine locally after striking out a few from GB who refused to ship to CA.

Back in 2011, finding one with a 61 build date was not easy. I would think finding one now with a 61, 62 or 63 date would be a lot easier.

Every year, more and more fine guns become available to us!!!!

Hakim's are a blast to shoot, literally. Mine is always the loudest gun at the range and sets off car alarms up and down the shooting line. I thought an SVT or M44 was loud until I shot the Hakim.

1962 is a VERY rare production year, with only a few known examples. So that 1962 you see in my post is probably the only one you will ever have a chance to own . Not starting anything, just making a point here.
Actually quite surprising it is still available, to be honest, but I guess people are too busy buying .223 stuff vs. collectables.

[captainsavaho]

Hakim

Luv d arguments you guys posted here, it just gives me a lot of stuff to learn bout Hakims!!. But one thing we all can agree on is that " HAKIMS ARE BAD *** ! RIGHT ! AMEN ?