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[sportsman]

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[navycorpsman]

its is cash and carry if its not a norinco i beleive

[OHOD]

its is cash and carry if its not a norinco i beleive

Last I heard.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

If you can prove that it is over 50 years old then it is "cash and carry" within California.

[timdps]

The only Chinese SKSs that are verified as over 50 years old are the recent Sino-Albanian imports from Century. Because there is no way the verify dates on Chinese SKSs, the only way Century could sell these rifles as C&R is that they have documentation that shows that they have been sitting somewhere for at least 50 years and this has been accepted by the ATF.

If you did not buy it within the last month or two and it does not carry CAI import markings, it can not be sold C&C in CA.

Tim

[hellayella]

Russian SKS

its is cash and carry if its not a norinco i beleive

I had a Russian SKS that I had transferred to a friend and Turners charged me a FFL transfer and rustbucket relic and curio was like 60 years old, ifd that!!! screw them...

[brianm767]

I had a Russian SKS that I had transferred to a friend and Turners charged me a FFL transfer and rustbucket relic and curio was like 60 years old, ifd that!!! screw them...

Your Russian SKS is a C&R, there was no need to take it to Turners for the transfer if you we're both Cali residents. You could have done it as cash and carry.

If you take a C&R to a dealer for a transfer, of course their going to charge you a transfer fee appropriate to the type of transfer, one would hope they would be knowledgeable and inform you about cash and carry, but it's not their responsibility to.

[bohoki]

i think if they have less than 6 digit serials they are really old

hmm isnt the burdon on the state to prove its younger than 50

if it has a spike bayonet it was made after 1966

if the triggerguard is stamped its not 50 years old yet

[mievil]

Lots of folks possibly leading other folks into possible legal trouble on this question in the past.

This is the book:

http://www.atf.gov/publications/firearms/curios-relics/p-5300-11-firearms-curios-or-relics-list.pdf

If you can find China SKS, Norinco SKS, Sino SKS, or any of the like in either that pub, or the updates on the ATF site, AND you can prove the rifle is 50+ years old in this state, then you are good to go. If not........good luck. Century brought them in and the distributers sold as C&R, but the burden of proof is on YOU, not the state, if someone decides to look into it. And I highly doubt you are going to find any concrete evidence (other than the well known speculations on date of manufacture for Fac 26 rifles) stating the exact date of manufacture for your particular Chinese SKS.

I'm sure people will and already have claimed left and right that their Norinco SKS is from the new batch even if it isn't just to do a FTF transfer. Just remember that the ATF has sent out written responses to folks asking them specifically if their Norinco SKS was a C&R and the answer is always the same.

[SVT-40]

i think if they have less than 6 digit serials they are really old

hmm isnt the burdon on the state to prove its younger than 50

if it has a spike bayonet it was made after 1966

if the triggerguard is stamped its not 50 years old yet

Bayonets and trigger guards can be easily swapped and have no bearing on a rifles age or C&R status.

It's the receiver which dictates a rifles age. As long as the rifle is still in original form and has not been largely modified it could be considered as issued.

Some of the recent Century "C&R" Chinese rifles had many parts replaced with Albanian parts. That did not change their status.

[bohoki]

I'm sure people will and already have claimed left and right that their Norinco SKS is from the new batch even if it isn't just to do a FTF transfer. Just remember that the ATF has sent out written responses to folks asking them specifically if their Norinco SKS was a C&R and the answer is always the same.

california rule of c&r is if the rifle is over 50 years old

the atf can only say when it was imported not when it was made

i think that you may be right about the burdon of proof being on the seller in court they would argue you were transfereing without a licence and you would have to prove you were exempt from the law via 50 year provision

Bayonets and trigger guards can be easily swapped and have no bearing on a rifles age or C&R status.

i'm using those as examples to suggest they are not this is assuming its not a frankengun of mismatched parts in my experience most chinese sks have matching parts(except for the new imports)

what i mean is its possible to tell if its not 50 years old but its not easy to prove it is pre 1963

[mievil]

california rule of c&r is if the rifle is over 50 years old

Right. And you will not find any concrete info released by the Chinese government showing clear and concise reference to which serial numbers were made during which years, therefore you will never be able to prove the date of manufacture, and will have a hard time rationalizing how you are legally transferring a C&R. The only exception seemingly being what happened with these recent bring ins.

However, you would more than likely be ok 50 years after they stopped manufacturing the SKS variant, so sometime in 2035-ish you'll be good to go.