Occasional PPT selling with C&R

[RayG]

Hello all,
As a relatively new C&R license holder in CA, I would like to dispose of a couple of my unwanted C&R long-gun purchases at the next local gun show. There are many private sellers at these shows that allow cash and carry ppt of C&R long-guns. Does the same hold true now that I have a C&R?
I do not run a business, just improving my collection and would be surprised if any profit would be made doing this, as these are old beaters!
Thanks in advance
Ray G

[paul0660]

Does the same hold true now that I have a C&R?

Nothing changes with a C&R except you can buy old guns out of state or buy long guns on line and have them delivered to you.

Edit, you need to "log" them in and out of your "bound book".

[RayG]

C&R occasional private sale question,

Thanks for the quick response,
An FFL01 told me at a recent Crossroads of the West show that 50yr old + C&R rifles could not be sold cash and carry by a C&R license holder to a private California resident without being 10 day background check & DROS. He seemed quite adamant that this was the case. I just wanted to get some clarification on this as I have heard conflicting comments on this. Obviously these sales would be recorded in bound book, and limited to a few per year in the normal course of improving the collection.
Ray

[Flyin Brian]

Ray, don't worry about the "for profit" thing, that's something that gets brought up all the time with no facts behind it. There's no rule against selling pieces from your collection for a profit... same as you are allowed to lose money too

Most of the people I have dealt with at gun shows do not have an 03 and do not want to do an "official" transfer. They are usually just trading as a hobby and would prefer no paper trail, but as a C&R holder you have to get their basic info for your book. Most are pretty understanding but I've had a few argue with me.

One thing I would suggest is to not use the term "PPT" unless you are referring to an actual "private party transfer" where a Buyer and Seller go to an 01FFL and transfer ownership. I think most people would agree that when they see the letters "PPT" you automatically think of a dealer transfer, which can be confusing

[Flyin Brian]

Thanks for the quick response,
An FFL01 told me at a recent Crossroads of the West show that 50yr old + C&R rifles could not be sold cash and carry by a C&R license holder to a private California resident without being 10 day background check & DROS. He seemed quite adamant that this was the case. I just wanted to get some clarification on this as I have heard conflicting comments on this. Obviously these sales would be recorded in bound book, and limited to a few per year in the normal course of improving the collection.
Ray

He's wrong. If it were a pistol, that would be true, or if the Seller is an 01FFL, then yes there has to be a DROS, but having an 03FFL doesn't change how one CA resident can sell a C&R long gun to another CA resident who is legal to own a firearm.

[RayG]

Thanks guys, appreciate the fast response to my questions!

[SVT-40]

"Profit" does not matter because you are not "selling" anything listed in your book You are "disposing" of it.

C&R holders do not "buy" or "sell". We "Acquire" firearms and "hold" them in our collection. Then "dispose" of them when we improve our collection or change the focus of our collection.

[Chaos47]

Thanks for the quick response,
An FFL01 told me at a recent Crossroads of the West show that 50yr old + C&R rifles could not be sold cash and carry by a C&R license holder to a private California resident without being 10 day background check & DROS. He seemed quite adamant that this was the case. I just wanted to get some clarification on this as I have heard conflicting comments on this. Obviously these sales would be recorded in bound book, and limited to a few per year in the normal course of improving the collection.
Ray

He's confused.

For C&R rifle's over 50 years old in CA:
A non license buying from an FFL01 has to DROS and wait 10 days
A non license buying from an FFL03 disposing from their collection does not have to do DROS and wait 10 days
A non license buying from a non license does not have to do DROS and wait 10 days
An FFL03 buying from a non license does not have to do DROS and wait 10 days
An FFL03 buying from an FFL01 still has to DROS and wait 10 days
An FFL03 with a COE buying from an FFL01 I believe still has to do DROS but not wait 10 days (Might be wrong on this one, I haven't really looked into COE yet)
An FFL03 acquiring from an FFL03 disposing from their collection does not have to do DROS and wait 10 days

That is all going from memory so I might be wrong on some spots or have left some kinds of transfers out

[Mssr. Eleganté]

...C&R holders do not "buy" or "sell". We "Acquire" firearms and "hold" them in our collection. Then "dispose" of them when we improveour collection or change the focus of our collection.

C&R FFLs buy and sell C&R firearms all day long. Buying is probably the most common way C&R FFLs acquire firearms for their collections. Nothing wrong with calling it buying and selling.

[RayG]

Thanks to all that contributed to this post !