mailing info for a antique ?

[Jeepers]

i have never sold a antique firearm that was not FTF so i search out how to ship and what is req. but even using the google search here and i am still not sure ....

anywho i have a 1895 chilean mauser (antique , C&R ?)i am working a deal on and want to know how to go about shipping this rifle ...

USPS ?
packing to protect it ?
and being i am shipping to a individual do i need any kind of proof of age or anything ?

thanks folks for any info

ETA also i am not a C&R lic holder most the info i found was for C&R FFL's and thats why i am confused on what is needed

[littlejake]

To be a true antique, it must have been made prior to 1899.

If an antique, as far as transfer and shipping, they are not firearms; and can be shipped by any method.

If C&R (i.e. greater than 50 years old but made after 1898) then if crossing state lines the receiving party must have an FFL (C&R or Dealer's). You are limited to UPS or FEDEX. And must ship from a hub. (Not a Kinko's or UPS store.) Insist on a copy of their FFL. You can use their ground service.

[kendog4570]

To be a true antique, it must have been made prior to 1899.

If an antique, as far as transfer and shipping, they are not firearms; and can be shipped by any method.

If C&R (i.e. greater than 50 years old but made after 1898) then if crossing state lines the receiving party must have an FFL (C&R or Dealer's). You are limited to UPS or FEDEX. And must ship from a hub. (Not a Kinko's or UPS store.) Insist on a copy of their FFL. You can use their ground service.

One can ship a long gun via USPS as well.

[Flintlock Tom]

It seems that most people skip over the rest of the definition of an "antique."

and manufactured in or before 1898 (including any matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap or similar type of ignition system or replica thereof, whether actually manufactured before or after the year 1898) and also any firearm using fixed ammunition manufactured in or before 1898, for which ammunition is no longer manufactured in the United States and is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade.

So, if your pre-1898 Chilean Mauser is still in the original caliber (7x57mm) it is still an antique. But, if it is, or has been converted ("redesigned") to take, 7.62x51, then it is no longer an antique. (But still C&R)
Not every gun manufactured prior to 1898 is an "antique."

[Jeepers]

it is all orig, but how do you know when a 1895 chilean short rifle was made ? is there a record anywhere to check S/N ?

i was told when i got it from a 03 that it was a antique so thats what i was going by

so i am assuming as a antique there is no paperwork i need from the buyer , proof of age ?

how to pack up a rifle for the mail ? have a cheap hard case from wallyworld but would still need a odd sized cardboard box that i have no idea where to find

thanks folks

[EOD Guy]

It seems that most people skip over the rest of the definition of an "antique."


So, if your pre-1898 Chilean Mauser is still in the original caliber (7x57mm) it is still an antique. But, if it is, or has been converted ("redesigned") to take, 7.62x51, then it is no longer an antique. (But still C&R)
Not every gun manufactured prior to 1898 is an "antique."

You are quoting the wrong part of the regulation. there are two definitions for an antique firearm in 27CFR. One is for firearms regulated under the National Firearms Act, such as machine guns and short barrel rifles and shotguns. That is the definition you quoted.

The definition for an antique firearm for firearms regulated under the Gun Control Act of 1968 does not have the cartridge restriction except for replicas of antiques.

[littlejake]

You are quoting the wrong part of the regulation. there are two definitions for an antique firearm in 27CFR. One is for firearms regulated under the National Firearms Act, such as machine guns and short barrel rifles and shotguns. That is the definition you quoted.

The definition for an antique firearm for firearms regulated under the Gun Control Act of 1968 does not have the cartridge restriction except for replicas of antiques.

That's my understanding. And if it's not, then there are a number of S&W collector's who have transferred unlawfully. (And, that would not be me!)

[littlejake]

it is all orig, but how do you know when a 1895 chilean short rifle was made ? is there a record anywhere to check S/N ?

i was told when i got it from a 03 that it was a antique so thats what i was going by

so i am assuming as a antique there is no paperwork i need from the buyer , proof of age ?

how to pack up a rifle for the mail ? have a cheap hard case from wallyworld but would still need a odd sized cardboard box that i have no idea where to find

thanks folks

You'll have to assume it's C&R unless you can absolutely prove it was made prior to 1899.

Where are you shipping it. If within CA, then you don't need to involve an FFL; but you must make sure you're not sending it to a minor. So, ask for a copy of their ID (unless this person is known to you.) FEDEX and UPS now have tarriffs (their word for rules) that require an FFL on at least one end of the shipment. That may be an issue.

C&R, crossing state lines. Your receiving party must either have a C&R or you have to send it to an 01 FFL in their state for transfer to the person. (No license on the receiving end is a violation of the federal GCA of 1968). You get a copy of the license your shipping to; and ship only to the address on the license that says: "Premises Address" -- not the mailing address. Show the copy of the license when FEDEX or UPS takes it in for shipping; and declare it as a rifle. I would not ship to NY CITY or Illinois due to their FOID card requirement.

Boxes -- you need a box made for rifles with egg crate foam padding in it.
I don't know where you're going to get one. Shipping in an inexpensive Plano case isn't a bad idea; but you still need a box. You could cut down some cardboard from a larger box and make one that does the job.
You can buy 5 rifle boxes from brownells for $80 plus shipping (expensive !!!)

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=1188/Product/GUN-SHIPPING-BOXES

In retrospect, it might have been less hassle to find a buyer on the CGN FS section and done an FTF transfer.

Kindest Regards,

Jake

[Jeepers]

You'll have to assume it's C&R unless you can absolutely prove it was made prior to 1899.

Where are you shipping it. If within CA, then you don't need to involve an FFL; but you must make sure you're not sending it to a minor. So, ask for a copy of their ID (unless this person is known to you.) FEDEX and UPS now have tarriffs (their word for rules) that require an FFL on at least one end of the shipment. That may be an issue.

C&R, crossing state lines. Your receiving party must either have a C&R or you have to send it to an 01 FFL in their state for transfer to the person. (No license on the receiving end is a violation of the federal GCA of 1968). You get a copy of the license your shipping to; and ship only to the address on the license that says: "Premises Address" -- not the mailing address. Show the copy of the license when FEDEX or UPS takes it in for shipping; and declare it as a rifle. I would not ship to NY CITY or Illinois due to their FOID card requirement.

Boxes -- you need a box made for rifles with egg crate foam padding in it.
I don't know where you're going to get one. Shipping in an inexpensive Plano case isn't a bad idea; but you still need a box. You could cut down some cardboard from a larger box and make one that does the job.
You can buy 5 rifle boxes from brownells for $80 plus shipping (expensive !!!)

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=1188/Product/GUN-SHIPPING-BOXES

In retrospect, it might have been less hassle to find a buyer on the CGN FS section and done an FTF transfer.

Kindest Regards,

Jake

thank you great info that helps .... and the buyer did find me from a old ad i have here on CGN and do prefer FTF but not many Calgunners in my area at least with interest in the rifle the hassle of shipping may be more than its worth and i may just keep it for now lol.....

[v/dBrink]

Simple enough to determine 1895 Chilean Mauser antique status..

Ludwig Loewe are antique.

Deutsche Waffen und Munitionsfabriken (DWM) are classed as modern, i.e. curio-relic.

What does it say on the left side of the receiver?

Ludwig Loewe became DWM in 1896. Known fact, known date to BATF. BATF considers DWM Mausers to be curio-relic and not antique. There are no factory records but there are serial number surveys and there's always the Mauser FAQ that details things out pretty well. I know because I helped write the Mauser FAQ when it comes to 1895 Chilean Mausers.

Same way to identify 1891 Argentine Mausers as antique. DWM are not antique and the 1891 was made up into 1901.

[Jeepers]

??? antique ???

[Pthfndr]

??? antique ???

Yes

[Jeepers]

thanks i understand now did some surfing and see what ya mean ... i am not a C&R guy i just picked this up in a trade to do a .45 conversion but didn't have the heart to kill it ...lol