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  • Falstaff
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2010
    • 2317

    Does schuster plug reduce recoil?

    My first garand had enough recoil to cause pain with every shot, there may have been issues with rifle as it kaboomed after 2 matches ( less than 200 rounds of HXP) since it was my first time firing a garand I thought it was normal. Anyway I recently installed a schuster plug on a new garand and it was waaaay softer recoil. Pretty dramatic differance actually compared to the other one and same ammo was used. I guess I'll have to try the stock plug to see if the hard recoil returns.
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    Crunch130
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2010
    • 750

    The few Garands I've fired had stock plugs and recoil was not an issue. I think there may have been something else there seriously worn out. Op rod spring, maybe?

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    • #3
      6mmintl
      Veteran Member
      • Apr 2008
      • 4822

      Always replace the op rod spring and use a solid plug if shooting beyond 500 yards to reduce verticle stringing due to gas leakage.

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      • #4
        harmoniums
        Veteran Member
        • May 2008
        • 3488

        Heavy recoil may be the bolt traveling backwatds with too much force, namely an over sized gas hole due to a worn plug.
        It might also be to fast a twist in the barrel for the weight of the bullet, or more worrying an over sized bullet traveling through a tight bore (like say an .310-.311 bullet - typically english japanese or russian in a 308 bore)

        How did the original one kaboom? was it a burst barrel?
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        • #5
          Orlando
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2010
          • 1827

          Originally posted by 6mmintl
          Always replace the op rod spring and use a solid plug if shooting beyond 500 yards to reduce verticle stringing due to gas leakage.
          I agree with replacing the Op Rod spring but the rest makes no sense
          If gas screw is leaking it can affect accuracy/function at any distance.

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          • #6
            Mac Attack
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2008
            • 2126

            No it does not. Adjustable plugs are great and I have a Shuster on my M1.

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            • #7
              pro-nra
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 2270

              Originally posted by Falstaff
              Anyway I recently installed a schuster plug on a new garand and it was waaaay softer recoil. Pretty dramatic differance actually compared to the other one and same ammo was used. I guess I'll have to try the stock plug to see if the hard recoil returns.
              Should not make any difference as its job is to lower port pressure to a "Garand safe" levels when shooting non M2 spec ammo.

              Originally posted by harmoniums
              namely an over sized gas hole due to a worn plug.
              I respectfully disagree with this statement. A gas port on a Garand or what you call "hole" is on the underside of the barrel and not on the gas plug. If the gas plug is worn ie leaking, you will have the opposite affect as what the OP described like short stroking or in sever cases single fire and will not cycle the action.

              Change your spring to Orion 7 stainless and never ever worry about if and when your spring will break.

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              • #8
                Garandimal
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2011
                • 2145

                Solid shooting positions are the key to M1 Garand Marksmanship. (that, and trigger-pull )

                Do you use a shooting sling and if so, are you so tightly snapped in and stock welded that there is absolutely ZERO relative motion between you and the rifle when you fire it?

                M1 Garands "kick" only when you let'em.

                Work on your shooting positions and sling.

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                • #9
                  Mutant
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2009
                  • 828

                  No.
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                  • #10
                    Falstaff
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2010
                    • 2317

                    The instructions for the schuster plug says that it reduces pressure and "saves wear and tear on the op rod and action of your m1" if used as directed , it is supposed to allow you to "dial in" the just enough gas pressure to cycle the action reliably. If the velocity of the bolt's rearward travel is reduced by lowering the gas pressure in the gas cylinder how can it not be that recoil is lessened compared to the same gun with wide open gas port?

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                    • #11
                      Garandimal
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 2145

                      Originally posted by Falstaff
                      The instructions for the schuster plug says that it reduces pressure and "saves wear and tear on the op rod and action of your m1" if used as directed , it is supposed to allow you to "dial in" the just enough gas pressure to cycle the action reliably. If the velocity of the bolt's rearward travel is reduced by lowering the gas pressure in the gas cylinder how can it not be that recoil is lessened compared to the same gun with wide open gas port?
                      Fly-sh*t in the Pepper.

                      The bullet is long gone before the op-rod even begins to move. It is residual pressure in the Bbl. that drives the cycle.

                      Learn to shoot properly, or shoot lighter loads.

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