Question on selling my Mosin collection!

[Bigtwin]

Hey folks, I have never sold a firearm in my life. I have always bought and kept them(every last one of them).
I now have a delemma and I think I want to sell my C&R's to fund another firearm purchase. I do not need the $ for the $ just to reinvest into my collection.

I do not have an FFL of any type(so no bound book issues).

How do you folks sell FTF(C&R) for random folks? What info do you collect to cover yourselves? Or do you just ask if the buyer is prohibited and sell? Where would you go to do the transaction so as not to draw incorrect attention.

If/when I offer for sale the Mosins and supplies, I will put them on Calguns only.

Any info is appriciated, again I have not sold on here or anywhere firearms, almost sucks to get rid of them but hey....I have needs....well desires!LOL

Thanks, Bigtwin.

[littlejake]

Mosins are both C&R and 50 years old or greater. There has been, and continues to be an exemption for selling C&R long guns, greater than 50 years old between two California residents from having to process through a dealer. This was codified in PC 12078 (t) (2) -- which has been renumbered. Starting 1/1/2014, with long gun registration, the paperless transfer of these C&R guns will end.

[chillincody]

A rifle of 50 yrs old Is eligible for cash and carry no FFL required . You can meet someone FTF and sell the rifle on the spot or ship it within CA state lines buyer just most not be a prohibited person and must be at least 18 Yrs old .no info is required from the buyer but if it makes you fill better get a copy of their Id ( I just check the Id to verify age) well thats about all you need to do hope your transactions go smoothly

[Bigtwin]

Mosins are both C&R and 50 years old or greater. There has been, and continues to be an exemption for selling C&R long guns, greater than 50 years old between two California residents from having to process through a dealer. This was codified in PC 12078 (t) (2) -- which has been renumbered. Starting 1/1/2014, with long gun registration, the paperless transfer of these C&R guns will end.

Littlejake, I understand the legality of selling FTF and the new law coming down in 2014. Thank you for the reminder. just wondering what other folks(yourself included) have done when selling C&R rifles in CA?

A rifle of 50 yrs old Is eligible for cash and carry no FFL required . You can meet someone FTF and sell the rifle on the spot or ship it within CA state lines buyer just most not be a prohibited person and must be at least 18 Yrs old .no info is required from the buyer but if it makes you fill better get a copy of their Id ( I just check the Id to verify age) well thats about all you need to do hope your transactions go smoothly

Thanks for the insite. I do not want to sell these guns, but right now I see no other way to obtain my next purchase.

Any thoughts or advise on using the Calguns market place(other than the stickies provided), like any thing I should be aware of? I am not sure of the rating system and what is warrented to rate. I have a 0 rating as of now as I have never sold a firearm here or any other place(and I do not intend to make a habit of it)!

[littlejake]

Be advised that selling must be done "infrequently and without regularity." On long guns there's no hard fast number. Just don't sell like a dealer.

If you sell on the CGN boards - you'll probably find good buyers. When I sell, I ignore people whose first post is: "I'll take it." I'd prefer someone whose been around on the forum a while and has earned a couple of itrader ratings.

[Bigtwin]

Be advised that selling must be done "infrequently and without regularity." On long guns there's no hard fast number. Just don't sell like a dealer.

If you sell on the CGN boards - you'll probably find good buyers. When I sell, I ignore people whose first post is: "I'll take it." I'd prefer someone whose been around on the forum a while and has earned a couple of itrader ratings.

Trust me selling any gun is about as infrequent as it gets(I never have)! That brings me to another question(you touched on this). I have no I trader rating either. I have a hard time ignoring the rating system to be safe but hell, I do not want sombody ingnoring me too because of that. I guess if I decide to sell I will just deal acordingly and hope to recieve the same good treatment. Though I have been on this forum for some time and am not on here just to sell/buy, hopefuly that will help others be less worried to purchase!

[littlejake]

Yeah, you've been on the forum for about 2.5 years... I think people will take that as a good reference. I got my first couple of itrader ratings from selling some small items like parts and magazines. In fact, only one was the sale of a gun.

Find the right price point; take some good photos and post them inline using the [IMG] tag. You'll likely do best with local buyers where you can meetup FTF. Since you don't require a dealer's shop to transfer them; it is a little bit of a predicament where to meet. After all, you don't want to meet up in a parking lot and be handling firearms. I'd suggest meeting at a local range where the buyer might try the rifle if they desire.

You might offer a slight financial incentive for anyone who buys more than one.

[Noonanda]

Be advised that selling must be done "infrequently and without regularity." On long guns there's no hard fast number. Just don't sell like a dealer.

If you sell on the CGN boards - you'll probably find good buyers. When I sell, I ignore people whose first post is: "I'll take it." I'd prefer someone whose been around on the forum a while and has earned a couple of itrader ratings.

FUD, where in the regulations does it say "infrequently and without regularity."
pleaser post a link.

It even mentions selling part or all of a collection here, does not say a word about "infrequently and without regularity."

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/curios-relics.html#business-definition

[chillincody]

FUD, where in the regulations does it say "infrequently and without regularity."
pleaser post a link.

It even mentions selling part or all of a collection here, does not say a word about "infrequently and without regularity."
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/curi...ess-definition

your just looking at ATF this is a CA law
Selling as a Private Party

There is a small limitation on the number of occasions of sales; the penal code says PPT is for "infrequent" transactions, and PC 12070 (c) says

(c) (1) As used in this section, "infrequent" means:
(A) For handguns, less than six transactions per calendar year.
For this purpose, "transaction" means a single sale, lease, or
transfer of any number of handguns.
(B) For firearms other than handguns, occasional and without
regularity.
from calwiki http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Bu..._in_California


And OP about the Itrader ratings deal with anyone just trust your gut its worked out fine for me Ive only had 1 person flake on me every other CG I meet have been outsanding good people

[Noonanda]

your just looking at ATF this is a CA law
Selling as a Private Party

There is a small limitation on the number of occasions of sales; the penal code says PPT is for "infrequent" transactions, and PC 12070 (c) says

(c) (1) As used in this section, "infrequent" means:
(A) For handguns, less than six transactions per calendar year.
For this purpose, "transaction" means a single sale, lease, or
transfer of any number of handguns.
(B) For firearms other than handguns, occasional and without
regularity.
from calwiki http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Bu..._in_California


And OP about the Itrader ratings deal with anyone just trust your gut its worked out fine for me Ive only had 1 person flake on me every other CG I meet have been outsanding good people

look at the top

12070 thru 12084 Firearms Dealer Licensing, Gun Shows

are you selling at a gunshow?

[Paulie Lugnuts]

Selling your guns is no big deal. Don't over complicate it. I've bought around 15 of our guns from fellow Calgunners. Some at thier houses, some have brought them to my shop, many in parking lots. If the buyer has a C+R, bring a copy of your CDL. Otherwise its cash and carry.
By the way, what have you got and where are you located? You might be able to sell them right here.

[knucklehead0202]

no worries, i've both bought and sold on calguns and have had nothing but good experiences. only negative i've had is from lowballers and nonsense on the boards, never with traders. most of what i've done is buying but i've sold a few items too, and traded as well, and so far everyone from CG i've met has been absolutely dynamite. i recently made a trade deal and had a screw-up on my end, which my tradee was totally cool and patient with, we both came out happy and all's well. most calgunners are very good people. only the jerks ya gotta look out for, but most of them readily identify themselves. no ID required on old gun sales but use your judge of character to determine who's who, you'll be fine. good luck.

[johnthomas]

How many and How much? Where are you?

[chillincody]

look at the top


are you selling at a gunshow?

I dont get it ? I read all the wiki nothing there than googled the pc and all it did was make my brain start hurting from reading it lol

[plumbum]

almost sucks to get rid of them but hey....I have needs....well desires!LOL

Thanks, Bigtwin.

Been there many times before, actually been getting the itch to ditch my brand new AR for more C&R's!

But I agree, it is hard to get started, and it sure doesn't feel good unnecessarily padding the pockets of local gun shops (bless their hearts) just because you get scared of running afoul of our own government.