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  • BruinGuy
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2011
    • 1456

    Tell me about my Enfield

    Enfield experts: I tried digging around on the internet for more information, but I haven't found an Enfield website equivalent of 7.62x54.net about these rifles.

    I just acquired this rifle in Arizona, and all I know about it is that it's a 1942 No4 Mk1.

    If you would be so kind as to take a look at the pictures and help me to better identify it I would very much appreciate it!









    Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
    Keep in mind that you don't have a clue.
  • #2
    mosinnagantm9130
    Calguns Addict
    • May 2009
    • 8782

    It looks like a Maltby manufactured No.4 to me. Maltbys aren't known for good exterior finishes, but they shoot fine if the bore is fine.
    Originally posted by GoodEyeSniper
    My neighbors think I'm a construction worker named Bruce.

    Little do they know that's just my stripper outfit and name.
    Originally posted by ChopperX
    I am currently cleaning it and I noticed when I squeeze the snake this white paste like substance comes out. What the heck is this crap?
    Originally posted by Jeff L
    Don't D&T a virgin milsurp rifle. You'll burn in collector hell.

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    • #3
      DGD73
      Junior Member
      • Apr 2012
      • 39

      Yeah like Mosin says looks like a Maltby. Here is a link with a list of serial numbers http://freespace.virgin.net/j.frankl...al_numbers.htmThere also should be a serial # on the rear of the bolt handle and possibly on the magazine (my magazine doesn't have a serial #).

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      • #4
        bruceflinch
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Jan 2006
        • 40127

        Typically, there will also be some mod/ser # on the left side of the receiver. Yours has the Battle sights, so probably a No4 Mk I. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, my wife does! I'm on her computer or I'd post you a link that has a lot of info. Maybe smle-man can post it, that's where I got it from.
        Actually I only started collecting Milsurps 3 years ago. I think I might own about 24...They're cheaper than guns that will most likely never get the opportunity to kill somebody...

        I belong to the group that uses firearms, and knows which bathroom to use.

        Tis better to have Trolled & lost, Than to never have Trolled, at all.

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        • #5
          littlejake
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2008
          • 2168

          I think that sight makes it a MKII
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          • #6
            BruinGuy
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2011
            • 1456

            Thanks for the info so far everyone!

            It seems to be a mixmaster. The bolt has "Y 11" stamped on it, while the receiver has been scrubbed or the original serial otherwise obliterated. There's a dot-matrix style serial on it forward of the original markings on the receiver, which now only show "No4 Mk1"

            There are a couple of other little markings, proof marks and the like, and the CAI import marks are under the barrel near the muzzle.

            It seems to be a 2-groove barrel. My bore light broke, so I couldn't get a good picture of it. It's a little dark but otherwise looks good. I need to get a no-go gauge for .303 and if it passes take it out to see how it shoots.

            I paid $205 OTD. If she shoots well she'll have been worth it.
            Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
            Keep in mind that you don't have a clue.

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            • #7
              DGD73
              Junior Member
              • Apr 2012
              • 39

              Originally posted by littlejake
              I think that sight makes it a MKII
              I believe the sight is a "MK II" sight but I don't think that has anything to do with only being on a No. 4 Mk II rifle. I think it's just a MK II sight as in "the 2nd version of the rear sight." My No. 4 Mk I rifle has one on it and I believe I read somewhere (but can't find it again atm) that those non adjustable sights were a wartime expedient and made production easier and quicker than the adjustable ones. You might want to check and see if it has a reverse headed screw holding the front sight blade on. If so, you might want to make a tool to loosen it before you take it to the range in case you need to adjust for windage. I made one by dremeling a slot in a T handled allen wrench but there are other options as well. *Edit- By the way, rifle looks nice, mine has the grooved handguard as well.
              Last edited by DGD73; 08-17-2012, 3:30 PM.

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              • #8
                mosinnagantm9130
                Calguns Addict
                • May 2009
                • 8782

                $205? Not bad at all. I'd have been a buyer at that price
                Originally posted by GoodEyeSniper
                My neighbors think I'm a construction worker named Bruce.

                Little do they know that's just my stripper outfit and name.
                Originally posted by ChopperX
                I am currently cleaning it and I noticed when I squeeze the snake this white paste like substance comes out. What the heck is this crap?
                Originally posted by Jeff L
                Don't D&T a virgin milsurp rifle. You'll burn in collector hell.

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                • #9
                  SKSer45
                  Veteran Member
                  • Jul 2011
                  • 4373

                  one of the most accurate rifles of the WW2 certainly better than Mosins. Right Mr. Mosin?

                  this is a good place to start http://www.enfield-rifles.com/

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                  • #10
                    eighteenninetytwo
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 1541

                    Looks like one of the recent (ie 6 years ago) turkish bring backs and if the barrel is good they are generally accurate. Bedding is a big issue in enfields and tthe turkish rifles seem to have been stored in places where the humidity was consistent so they're pretty well kept as originally intended, if a bit beatn up on the outside.

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                    • #11
                      mosinnagantm9130
                      Calguns Addict
                      • May 2009
                      • 8782

                      Originally posted by SKSer45
                      one of the most accurate rifles of the WW2 certainly better than Mosins. Right Mr. Mosin?

                      this is a good place to start http://www.enfield-rifles.com/
                      If I had to equip an early 1940s army with a bolt action rifle, it would've been using the No.4.

                      They have several advantages over both mosins and mausers...the sights are much more user friendly (although that's more of a mauser problem), they have an extremely fast bolt, and have a ten round, detachable magazine.

                      All in all, a solid rifle.
                      Originally posted by GoodEyeSniper
                      My neighbors think I'm a construction worker named Bruce.

                      Little do they know that's just my stripper outfit and name.
                      Originally posted by ChopperX
                      I am currently cleaning it and I noticed when I squeeze the snake this white paste like substance comes out. What the heck is this crap?
                      Originally posted by Jeff L
                      Don't D&T a virgin milsurp rifle. You'll burn in collector hell.

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                      • #12
                        BruinGuy
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 1456

                        Well, Skser, I guess you'd be disappointed to learn that I also picked up a 1935 Tula hex receiver Mosin-Nagant 91/30 on the same day!

                        Now they share the same safe with two other Mosins and three Mausers! It's a veritable utopian society in my gun safe, I tells ya. All one big happy family in there.
                        Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
                        Keep in mind that you don't have a clue.

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                        • #13
                          smle-man
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 10575

                          Originally posted by DGD73
                          I believe the sight is a "MK II" sight but I don't think that has anything to do with only being on a No. 4 Mk II rifle. I think it's just a MK II sight as in "the 2nd version of the rear sight." My No. 4 Mk I rifle has one on it and I believe I read somewhere (but can't find it again atm) that those non adjustable sights were a wartime expedient and made production easier and quicker than the adjustable ones. You might want to check and see if it has a reverse headed screw holding the front sight blade on. If so, you might want to make a tool to loosen it before you take it to the range in case you need to adjust for windage. I made one by dremeling a slot in a T handled allen wrench but there are other options as well. *Edit- By the way, rifle looks nice, mine has the grooved handguard as well.
                          The Mk 2 flip sight (300/600 yd) can be adjusted to get ranges between the two arms by attaching and removing the bayonet which will cause the rifle to shoot higher or lower depending on what combination is being used at the time. Many of the Mk 2 sights were replaced post war with the Mk 1 Singer sight or the stamped Mk 3 sight. Enjoy the rifle!

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                          • #14
                            DGD73
                            Junior Member
                            • Apr 2012
                            • 39

                            Originally posted by smle-man
                            The Mk 2 flip sight (300/600 yd) can be adjusted to get ranges between the two arms by attaching and removing the bayonet which will cause the rifle to shoot higher or lower depending on what combination is being used at the time. Many of the Mk 2 sights were replaced post war with the Mk 1 Singer sight or the stamped Mk 3 sight. Enjoy the rifle!
                            Cool, thanks that's good to know. I know that I was having to aim low at 100 yards to hit around the center (with the 300 yd aperture), now I'm curious as to how much difference having the bayonet on it would make.

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                            • #15
                              finloq
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2009
                              • 523

                              I tried digging around on the internet for more information, but I haven't found an Enfield website equivalent of 7.62x54.net about these rifles

                              No there, but a nice site nonetheless: http://www.allaboutenfields.co.nz/
                              "Self-realization. I was thinking of the immortal words of Socrates, who said, "... I drank what?"

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