Please help me with info or idea on values

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Hey guys, This is my first post in this sub forum which is cool. I'm entering a new realm of gun ownership, anyway I posted this in the handguns section and someone suggested I post it here. I inherited some guns and was hoping you could help with info on them and values. Here's what I got pistol wise:

colt 1911 says "property of us gov." It is not original though cause it has target sights on it.

spanish Astra 38/9mm I think this is a 9mm largo can I shoot standard 9mm in it?

Radom 9mm

S&W snumb nose 38 special

colt military/police 38 special

hi standard 22 revolver

mauser 7.65(38 auto I believe) and from what Ive searched online model is 1934

llama 9mm looks like a 1911 long slide with 6 inch barrel

thanks for any help.

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Also, I posted some rifles and shotguns in the rifle forum too, but I will ask here as well since they are all old

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pics uploaded

[nick]

Hey guys, This is my first post in this sub forum which is cool. I'm entering a new realm of gun ownership, anyway I posted this in the handguns section and someone suggested I post it here. I inherited some guns and was hoping you could help with info on them and values. Here's what I got pistol wise:

colt 1911 says "property of us gov." It is not original though cause it has target sights on it.

spanish Astra 38/9mm I think this is a 9mm largo can I shoot standard 9mm in it?

Radom 9mm

S&W snumb nose 38 special

colt military/police 38 special

hi standard 22 revolver

mauser 7.65(38 auto I believe) and from what Ive searched online model is 1934

llama 9mm looks like a 1911 long slide with 6 inch barrel

thanks for any help.

Can't help you with the values, gotta leave for work, but do check the closed auctions on Gunbroker, once you've identified everything. However, if/when you decide to sell that Astra, Radom, and Mauser, do let me know.

Pictures would help in identifying the guns and their condition. It's hard to value something without them.

As for the Astra, if it's in 9mm Largo, you CANNOT shoot 9mm out of it. However, depending on the model, it may be in 9mm.

[nick]

Also, you might want to post bigger (and individual) pictures. It's hard to tell anything on those pictures.

[v/dBrink]

spanish Astra 38/9mm I think this is a 9mm largo can I shoot standard 9mm in it?

No, only 9mm Largo. The Astra 400 is a blow-back pistol. The 9x19 Luger cartridge is too hot for a blow-back pistol. It will damage the gun.

The Astra 600 is chambered in 9x19 Luger/Parabellum. But you didn't specifiy what model you're talking about. It's stamped on the gun.

mauser 7.65(38 auto I believe) and from what Ive searched online model is 1934

7.65mm is .32 caliber so the Mauser m/1934 is .32 acp. Some were also chambered in 9x18mm.... 9mm Kurz or Browning Short also known as .380 acp... which is not the same as .38 acp. (acp= automatic colt pistol)


.25 acp (6.35 Browning) - .32 acp (7.65 Browning) - .380 acp (9mm Browning Short/Kurz) - 9x18 Makarov - 9x19 Parabellum - 9x20 Browning Long - 9x23 Bergman-Bayard (Largo/Long)

[eightmd]

Yes your pictures leave much to the imagination, (or to be desired - depending on how you look at it). I can't help you much with the value either, but the pistols sound interesting.

One thing that I would do if I were trying to sell these guns is to take whatever precautions necessary and see if you can shot them. A gun is much more valuable if it is a shooter, than a project, or wall hanger. However, you want to be sure it is safe to shoot before you attempt. You don't want to loose a hand or your head.

Definitely need better pictures and a lot of info on the rifles. For instance one looks like an M1 carbine. Those are very much sought after but how much it is will depend on condition and exactly what it is. Like is it a Winchester, IBM, etc... matching numbers??? Lot of questions.

You can date them by serial numbers but that will take a little work also. If any are Winchesters there is a guy here that can get you to date it left the finish room, on this board. At any rate I think you can get a fair chunk of change out of all of them but you will want to do your homework and figure exactly what you have so you price it right.

[tuncas]

I will try to get more info/pics. Thanks for what you gave me so far

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Here is what I know about the long guns:

FN 49 in 7mm

SVT 40

m1 carbine says made by general motors

remington model 11 semi auto 12 ga

pump action 22 lr ( I will get more info on this one latter)

a few winchester 1897 pump 12 ga.
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[nick]

Here is what I know about the long guns:

FN 49 in 7mm

SVT 40

m1 carbine says made by general motors

remington model 11 semi auto 12 ga

pump action 22 lr ( I will get more info on this one latter)

a few winchester 1897 pump 12 ga.
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The FN is Venezuelan. Depending on condition, it can go anywhere from $450 to $800 (could be more, but it has to be in an exceptional condition).

SVT-40 - anywhere from $700 for a beater to $900-1000 for a decent condition. Could be more, if it's a rebuilt AVT, non-rearsenalled SVT (in a decent condition), etc. I might be interested in this one, depending on the condition/price.

Inland M1 Carbine - depending on the condition and parts, anywhere from $650 to $900. Could be more (much more), if it's all original (doubt it).

1897 pumps - are these military models, police-issued models (with shorter barrels), or regular long-barrel models?

[Rogerbutthead]

I fired a few dozen 9mm through my Astra 400. The cases looked a little funny from what I remember (30 odd years ago) Wikipedia says velocity lower with 9mm than with 9mm Largo - Friends were angry with me for doing that, but I do not remember the exact reasons why.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astra_400

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I don't know how to tell what model the winchester pumps are. They all have long barrels though

[Mike A]

For info on the Astra look at www.largoista.com and the "Spanish Pistols" forum on www.gunboards.com/forums. The latter is 'way down their forum menu.

The Astra is either a Model 400 (1921) or a Model 600. The latter is chambered for 9mm Parabellum and was made for Germany and its allies in WWII, as well as some sold to Portugal and other fascist allies. It's blowback and shoots 9mm Para just fine.

The 400 was the standard Spanish Army sidearm for many years and shoots the more powerful 9mm Largo (9x23mm but NOT the later 9x23mm Winchester). Many are marked 9mm/38 and have been slightly modified to shoot .38 Colt Auto as well as 9mm Largo. It is safe to shoot that old cartridge in them but they will also chamber Colt .38 Super Automatic and there have been TONS of controversy over whether THAT is safe! (I wouldn't; many do). The problem with shooting 9mm Para in any 9mm Largo handgun is that sooner or later you will break the extractor. Not easy to find nowadays; Astra parts are getting scarce.

You can find info on your Llama at either of the two sites mentioned above also.

The Colt revolver LOOKS like either an Army Special or an Official Police; essentially the same guns with different model names and made from 1908 up to the 1970s. It might be an earlier model DA (New Army or New Navy) tho. Markings or better pic would tell. Could be .32-20, .22 LR, .38 Long, .38 Spl., .38-200, or .41 Long.

The S&W looks like a fairly recent Model 10 or pre-Model 10 "Military and Police," almost certainly a .38 Spl.

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Heres a little update for anyone that cares: I took the guns to a local gun store and had a guy look at them. The smith revolver is a model 10-5, and the colt revolver is a official police .38. The two guns he thought were worth the most were the colt 1911 and the polish FB Radom VIS 35.

The colt 1911 is built with a Savage munitions slide. Savage won a contract to build colt 1911 during the war but they never finished a complete gun. After they finished the initial run of slides, the war ended and the gov cancelled the contract, but paid them out for the batch of slides that they had built. The agusta arsenal built some 1911's using those savage slides and that is what I have today. Cool part is that Savage was located in san diego which is where I live, so its like the gun finally made it home.

The FB Radom VIS 35 has nazi eagle/swaztika stamps all over it which means that gun was built by polish slave workers for the Nazis after germany invaded and occupied Poland.

This historical gun stuff is really cool, and I think I will be spending some more time in this sub forum from now on. Now if I can only find out where my grandpa's Nazi luger is...