Anyone ever seen these?

[guitar-nut]

While googling (and drooling over) German weapons I'll probably never own, I found this company.

http://hza-kulmbach.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=46&Itemid=61&lang=en

Anyone ever seen these before or heard of the company? I'm guessing they probably can't be imported to the US

[Capybara]

Did you read this on their website?

"If you are interested in purchasing this fine piece of tradition, you can directly obtain a "MP 43/1" from our web-shop, or also from a certified dealer. Obviously you will require a valid Purchase-permit or import license, if ordered from outside Germany !"

[guitar-nut]

Did you read this on their website?

"If you are interested in purchasing this fine piece of tradition, you can directly obtain a "MP 43/1" from our web-shop, or also from a certified dealer. Obviously you will require a valid Purchase-permit or import license, if ordered from outside Germany !"

Interesting. If they're importable, I wonder why some US company hasn't jumped on this. I'd pay top dollar for an STG44 or MP38/40 and I'm sure others would as well.

Maybe too difficult of a 922r issue? Sorry, I know my California gun laws but I'm not well versed in import/export laws.

[Spiggy]

a lot of these European gun manufacturers are near garage-shop operations that can't produce significant numbers to justify a fair sized import.

if a single import costs four-five figures in shipping and legal work, and you can only meet two digit numbers, a single gun can cost up to five figures or more.

Small production numbers + Expensive Manufacture + Expensive Importation = Ungodly aweful pricing.

on another note, these guys have FG42's in production

http://smgguns.com/?page_id=99

[pitfighter]

200 or so, of the MP44's from this company (or the earlier name holder - same guns) were imported into the US - the story is over at the gk43 website forum - it is old news, two years or so.
The rifles were imported in pieces (single shot only, magwell welded closed) reengineered by PTR and sold by Recon Ordnance, they had some problems.
There is one on Gunbroker now for $10K or so.
They initially sold in the $5K range.

There is talk of more being imported.

There are several owned by Californian's, I know of, they require an attachment on the pistol grip - unless the owner has an assault weapons permit (prop master), to make them legal here.

There are so many things I would spend my $10K on before I bought a replica semi automatic WW2 rifle - and I enjoy collecting WW2 firearms. But, I guess if you are a reenactor they represent a step forward from a K98.

Pit.

[timdps]

200 or so, of the MP44's from this company (or the earlier name holder - same guns) were imported into the US - the story is over at the gk43 website forum - it is old news, two years or so.
The rifles were imported in pieces (single shot only, magwell welded closed) reengineered by PTR and sold by Recon Ordnance, they had some problems.
There is one on Gunbroker now for $10K or so.
They initially sold in the $5K range.

There is talk of more being imported.

There are several owned by Californian's, I know of, they require an attachment on the pistol grip - unless the owner has an assault weapons permit (prop master), to make them legal here.

There are so many things I would spend my $10K on before I bought a replica semi automatic WW2 rifle - and I enjoy collecting WW2 firearms. But, I guess if you are a reenactor they represent a step forward from a K98.

Pit.

Pit pretty much nailed it. 200 imported with two of them being broken up for parts, leaving 198 in the country.

Original import thread:

http://www.gk43forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9617&highlight=ptr44

Owners thread:

http://www.gk43forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10463

$10K on Gunbroker is pretty optimistic. A couple have sold on GB recently in $6500 range.

The talk of more being imported has evaporated according to a source on 1919A4.com.

In addition to adding a grip fin (before it comes into CA) its useful to own preban mags. Repro mags run $125- $150. Originals go for $400 - $500.

My PTR44 (with preban mag):

[Capybara]

Yeah, cool stuff but I could buy a whole safe worth of fun guns for $6,500.00.

[smle-man]

I shot a magazine through an original MP44; it went bang and the bullets went downrange. Nothing magical about it. At the time the owner was very concerned about finding the fired brass because 7.92kurz was almost impossible to source (1970s). The MG42 was a lot more fun!