Please help in identifying

[Liquidasphalt]

I received these 2 guns today and I can not find any information on the shotgun at all. If any of you know what I have come across it will be greatly appreciated!I know the rifle is a Mauser but I can not identify what kind it is. The only marking I can find is the serial numbers. It also does not accept a 8mm round, possibly a 7mm Mauser?

Ill start with the shotgun. The only marking I can make out is FW Victor but google search failed at finding any information.





And now the Mauser

[mosinnagantm9130]

The mauser is a m1916 Spanish short rifle. Based on the serial number, it is most likely a 7mm mauser, but it's possibly a 7.62 nato.

Sorry that I can't help on the shotgun, good luck.

[GOEX FFF]

+1 On the 1916 Spanish Mauser.

Your shotgun is one of many "Trade Brand" name or "Store Brand" shotguns that were made by the Crescent Firearms Company of Norwich, CT from approx 1892-1932.They were made for, sold and owned by H & D Folsom of NYC, which was a large jobber wholesale and retail sporting goods outlet and later in the early 30's, were purchased by Stevens/Savage. These shotguns could also have been found in local Hardware and other small retail stores. They were chambered in various shot shell calibers and had many Brand names such as Victor, Victor Arms Co, Victor No. 1, Victor No. 10, Victor No. 11, Victor No. 15, Victor Special and American Gun Co. to name a few....which were all trade names for retailers used by the Crescent Firearms Co. They where cheap, inexpensive shotguns.

It also looks as perhaps yours is missing the trigger guard?

Here is an ad from the Folsom N0. 18 catalogue -




From the 1930-31 Folsom Catalogue N0. 35 -

[gun toting monkeyboy]

Goex pretty much covered it. These shotguns were your basic utility shotgun. No-frills. It was the kind of thing farmers bought to get rid of pests. Or kids bought as their first gun. They were produced in large numbers, and competed with the single and double barreled models coming in from Belgium.

-Mb

[PEZHEAD265]

Here is some info on the 1916.If it isn't marked 7.62 anywhere on the barrel or receiver it is a 7mm.

http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oGdXgGW_hPekEA3IpXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE0dTh1YmxjBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMgRjb2xvA3NrMQR2dGlkA01TWTAxMl83NQ--/SIG=1288889ep/EXP=1341705094/**http%3a//www.masterton.us/unmarked_1916_serial_numbers

[Liquidasphalt]

It also looks as perhaps yours is missing the trigger guard?

Yeah it is missing the trigger guard and is pretty rusted, but cant complain for a total price of $0 for both rifles. Any tips on rust removal? Was using Hopes #9 on the Mauser and it worked pretty well but am looking for something that I could soak a few of the parts in.

Am I correct in thinking that I could use a .30 cal brush on the Mauser?

Any how thanks for all the Information guys!

[ColdDeadHands1]

Regarding rust removal, disassemble and soak all the metal parts in A product named Kroil. After soaking for a few days scrub with fine bronze wool. Do not use steel wool. The steel fibers will embed in your guns and rust more.

The bronze wool can be found at Ace hardware stores. The Kroil is a bit more elusive. I ordered some from Midway.

If you follow this method you should be able to remove the rust while preserving what is left if the original finish.

[GOEX FFF]

If you really want to get crazy with rust removal, you can build yourself an electrolysis tank for pretty cheap.
In extreme cases, it can do an amazing job at separating rust from the metal.

Here's an old thread over at SRF showing the set up and process.

http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=80&t=62728

[Liquidasphalt]

Thanks again guys. I will definitely have to give the electrolysis a try on the shotgun when I can get something set up. I didn't even know where to begin with that thing its so gunked up. And I will be ordering some Kroil for the smaller parts.

[mosinnagantm9130]

Am I correct in thinking that I could use a .30 cal brush on the Mauser?

If it's 7.62 NATO, yeah. If it's 7mm, no way. 7mm is .284, a .30 rod won't even fit.

[edgerly779]

Most rifle/pistol bore brushs fit on a 22 cleaning rod. Never seen a .30 cal cleaning rod. Maybe moisin made them.

[mosinnagantm9130]

Most rifle/pistol bore brushs fit on a 22 cleaning rod. Never seen a .30 cal cleaning rod. Maybe moisin made them.

I may have just had a senior moment lol

I meant .30 brush, my .30 brushes won't fit my m1916.

[Liquidasphalt]

If it's 7.62 NATO, yeah. If it's 7mm, no way. 7mm is .284, a .30 rod won't even fit.

I did shove the .30 cal down the barrel and did succeed but it was a pain in the *** and did not try again. I did get a 7mm brush today and it worked a whole lot better!

[bohoki]

if you get an offer of $13 for the shotgun take it