Purchasing C&R Mexican pistol & rifle

[fuegoboy]

I am not sure if this is the place to start but here goes.

I am interested in adding an Obregon M1908 .45 cal pistol and a Mondragon 7mm M1908 rifle to my collection.

If I found them in Mexico what would be the procedure to get them to California? Has anyone seen them for sale in the U.S.

Suggestions or recommendations are appreciated. If this should message should go to the classified section let me know.

[Crunch130]

Should be no problem. Trade them straight across for an AK-47 and a new 1911.

Seriously, you have to get some kind of import license from the BATF.

Crunch

[Ed_Hazard]

Here's some info from another forum.

"From ATF: "Any person residing in the U.S. who does not hold an FFL. A non-licensed resident of the U.S may obtain an approved ATF F 6 (Part I) import permit to import sporting ammunition for his or her own use but not for resale or other commercial purpose. However, a non-licensed resident of the U.S. may not obtain an approved ATF Form 6 import permit to import nonsporting ammunition or any firearm. Any non-licensee who desires to import a firearm into the U.S. must have the firearm imported on his or her behalf by a qualified FFL, and the subsequent transfer of the firearm to the non-licensee must be in compliance with Federal, State and local law."

Legally importing the gun into the U.S. is the easy part. Exporting from Mexico is the hard part. The pistol is probably not registered and is also likely chambered in a prohibited caliber and as such would be contraband in Mexico. You might try asking here http://www.mexicoarmado.com/ for info. Also check with SEDENA (Mexico's version of ATF) for info here:
The above links are in Spanish only.

DO NOT attempt to simply bring it into the U.S. yourself. If you are found with it in Mexico (and they do search travelers entering and leaving the country) you are looking at a lengthy prison sentance (up to 20 years for prohibited calibers). If you are caught by U.S. Customs without an approved Form 6 You will loose the gun and have to pay large fines and possible jail time in the U.S.
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Hope that helps, and dont forget to plan on useing quite a bit of grease.

[littlejake]

You have to have an importer's license -- not sure that's ATF. Might be Department of Commerce -- or both. It's a big deal to get one for international traffic in arms. ITAR regulations apply to more than guns and gun parts. Even a piece of paper with information that could be related to a weapons system, even tangentially, can be considered ITAR restricted.

[finloq]

Good luck.

[fuegoboy]

Thanks for the information. I will try Mexicoarmas.com. I've looked at the SEDENA site and so far have not come across anything that helps.

[Cessnapilot89]

If I have a CR license, could I bring one back from Canada?

[Pancho Villa's Armory]

Good luck I have trying to import an 1886 Winchester my grandfather gave me. I have the form from Customs but I can not find someone in Mexico to import it.

[Jeepergeo]

I hear that Eric Holder knows how to do it....oh whoops, never mind, he's only the expert on getting guns into Mexico. He might loose track of things.

[ClarenceBoddicker]

Diplomatic pouch?

[paul0660]

they do search travelers entering and leaving the country

I would be less surprised to see pigs fly. However, I don't think these guns are worth the trouble, and I wouldn't do it with the rock solid expensive paperwork to back it up.

[TRAP55]

If I have a CR license, could I bring one back from Canada?

Nope, not without paying for it twice with the import fees, and a mountain of redtape.

[Pancho Villa's Armory]

Actually the paper work was easy and painless, it is trying to find an importer to ship it. Fed ex nor UPS would do it and Mexican importer wont even touch it even though its an antique.

[paul0660]

Actually the paper work was easy and painless, it is trying to find an importer to ship it. Fed ex nor UPS would do it and Mexican importer wont even touch it even though its an antique.

So even with los papeles with the good looking stamps you can't drive it across?

[pitfighter]

If you find a Mondragon M1908 in Mexico - you are smart enough to find a way to import it.

The Mondragon's were nearly all returned to SIG in switzerland, they are selling for between $10K to $25K at auction if you can find them.
They were also used with extended mags by the German forces at the start of WW1.
I need one for my collection!

Tell me where it is, I will buy it, and bring it into the US - I have done far more difficult things than "importing" a half dozen LEGAL antique gun "parts" into the US.

Edit - OK - I decided to be nice, look up firearms importation and legal services, there are a half dozen services for importing antique weapons into the US, it is about $150 per rifle, and the processing fees associated with it. Good luck, The Mondragon is a fascinating rifle.

Pit.