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  • McMadCow
    Member
    • Jan 2006
    • 142

    Persistent M1 early ejection. HELP!

    Thanks for checking out my thread. Hopefully someone out there reads this and can take a little mercy on me. I've got a '44 SA Garand that I purchased a little more than a year ago. When I first got it I encountered early-ejecting enblocs out of maybe 1 out of 4 clips fired. The enbloc wouldn't usually make it all the way out, and it would usually only happen once per clip. As it got worse, I decided to fix the issue and the first suggestion was to replace the clip latch spring. No dice. Next came the clip latch, and finally I even replaced the clip latch pin. Somewhere in there I also threw in a new recoil spring. All were new, unissued parts and the problem not only persists, it's actually gotten WORSE! Now at shot 5 and on, the enbloc ejects, usually getting stopped by the bolt. Occasionally, the enbloc will clear the action after shot 7.
    What am I missing here? I love my rifle and when it functions right it shoots tight groups all day. Is there something else I should be looking at to stop this problem?
    Ammo is Greek M2 on preloaded enblocs. Someone suggested that maybe it was the enblocs themselves, but I can't believe that every single one of them is worn to the point of early ejection.
    Thanks in advance for any advice!
  • #2
    NRAhighpowershooter
    Super Moderator
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Jun 2003
    • 6485

    There have been problems reported with the Greek en-blocs... try to find some real GI enblocs and give it a try..also make sure the bulet guide lug is within spec... the lug should measure .179-.183
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    • #3
      ness395
      Junior Member
      • Aug 2007
      • 78

      If you look closely at the the Greek and GI brass, you'll notice that the gap between the rim and the rest of the case (not sure that the technical term is) is different between the two. I can't remember which one is bigger, but there is a very visible difference. So, Greek and GI en blocs are different for that reason. I've had no problems using GI en blocs to load boxed Greek ammo, but I've not tried loading GI or commercial 30'06 into the Greek en blocs.

      If I remember correctly, a guy at the range last month tried to do that (LC brass into Greek en bloc) during one of the rapid fire stages of the Garand match and had some sort of malfunction.

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      • #4
        M. Sage
        Moderator Emeritus
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Jul 2006
        • 19759

        Why would that make a difference to the en-bloc? Standard en-blocs work fine with .308 (if you happen to have a .308 Garand), FWIW.



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        • #5
          ness395
          Junior Member
          • Aug 2007
          • 78

          I don't have any clips easily accessible, but I'm pretty sure that the lip on the inside of the clip below the dimple was more pronounced on the Greek clips.

          I too had a hard time believing that clips could be that much different from one another, but some guys at the match said that they too have had problems in the past with mixing Greek/GI brass and clips.

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          • #6
            McMadCow
            Member
            • Jan 2006
            • 142

            Wow, thanks for the heads-up on the Greek enblocs. Not really sure what I can do about it at the moment since I'm on vacation in PA, but maybe I'll try to find a gun shop around here and pick up a few GI clips for my remaining ammo. Thanks again guys!

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            • #7
              NRAhighpowershooter
              Super Moderator
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Jun 2003
              • 6485

              It's more of a Greek en-bloc problem.. I have no problems with Greek ammo in GI enblocks... the Greek enblocs have also been reported to have problems being inserted into Garands right out of the crate (the loaded en-blocs that is)
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              • #8
                Satex
                CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                CGN Contributor
                • Feb 2006
                • 3501

                I had the same problem, and replaced a bunch of parts going down the recommended list. The thing that seemed to have solved the problem entirely, was getting the end of war "heavy duty" clip latch spring. I guess that towards the end of WWII they decided to beef up the spring (I believe its one additional loop). I do plan on starting to revert back to the old parts to see if this was the root cause, or was it just a combination of issues.

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                • #9
                  Boomer1961
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2005
                  • 768

                  Originally posted by McMadCow
                  Persistent My early ejaction. HELP!
                  Wow, maybe its all the Greek that is being talked about that has me scared...


                  SORRY, ME BAD, COULD NOT RESIST AS THIS WAS JUST TO EASY!



                  MERRY CHRISTMAS & HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!





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