C&R age dating question

[ColdDeadHands1]

Is a rifle made in 1962 considered C&R yet? I can prove the manufacture date is 1962, but no information on month of manufacture is available.

[JacobCR03]

From what I've heard, if you can't definitively date it down to the month, it would be considered non-C&R until Jan. 1, 2013.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

From what I've heard, if you can't definitively date it down to the month, it would be considered non-C&R until Jan. 1, 2013.

That's correct. The law defines a C&R as a firearm "manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date..." so if you don't know the exact date then you don't know if it is 50 years old yet.

[0321jarhead]

Is a rifle made in 1962 considered C&R yet? I can prove the manufacture date is 1962, but no information on month of manufacture is available.

What do you have? Have you not checked the ATF list? http://www.atf.gov/publications/firearms/curios-relics/

[ColdDeadHands1]

What do you have? Have you not checked the ATF list? http://www.atf.gov/publications/firearms/curios-relics/

For CA C&R holders FTF sales, doesn't a gun need to be 50 years old regardless of whether or not on the list?

[Flintlock Tom]

For CA C&R holders FTF sales, doesn't a gun need to be 50 years old regardless of whether or not on the list?

Yes.

[0321jarhead]

For CA C&R holders FTF sales, doesn't a gun need to be 50 years old regardless of whether or not on the list?

If it is less than 50 and IS on the ATF list as C&R. TWO California C&R holders CAN do a FTF.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

If it is less than 50 and IS on the ATF list as C&R. TWO California C&R holders CAN do a FTF.

If they are both outside of California then yes. But if the transfer takes place inside of California then they would be violating the California penal code.

27545. Where neither party to the transaction holds a dealer's
license issued pursuant to Sections 26700 to 26915, inclusive, the
parties to the transaction shall complete the sale, loan, or transfer
of that firearm through a licensed firearms dealer pursuant to
Chapter 5 (commencing with Section 28050).

We've been through this so many times with you that I know posting the actual penal code again won't help, but I thought I'd post it again anyway.

[ElvenSoul]

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[ColdDeadHands1]

Thanks for the info folks. Unfortunately I missed the sale on the rifle I was looking at. Someone else likely picked up the C&R that may or may not have been a C&R!

[GOEX FFF]

Thanks for the info folks. Unfortunately I missed the sale on the rifle I was looking at. Someone else likely picked up the C&R that may or may not have been a C&R!

Any chance you can fill us in what the rifle was that you were interested in?

[ColdDeadHands1]

It was an H&R Topper Jr. .410 shotgun made in 1962.

[0321jarhead]

If they are both outside of California then yes. But if the transfer takes place inside of California then they would be violating the California penal code.



We've been through this so many times with you that I know posting the actual penal code again won't help, but I thought I'd post it again anyway.

Please direct "us" under which CPC that states two C&R holders cannot do a FTF on a C&R firearm. I am not finding such statements in my library of CPC.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

Please direct "us" under which CPC that states two C&R holders cannot do a FTF on a C&R firearm. I am not finding such statements in my library of CPC.

I told you it wouldn't help.

The CPC that says two C&R holders can not to a FTF on a C&R firearm inside California is the CPC that I just posted above. By your responses in these threads on the subject I can never tell if you can't see the CPC that I post or if you just don't understand the CPC.

Do you see the part here in CPC 27545 that says ...the parties to the transaction shall complete the sale, loan, or transfer of that firearm through a licensed firearms dealer..."? I will put it in bold this time...

27545. Where neither party to the transaction holds a dealer's
license issued pursuant to Sections 26700 to 26915, inclusive, the
parties to the transaction shall complete the sale, loan, or transfer
of that firearm through a licensed firearms dealer pursuant to
Chapter 5 (commencing with Section 28050).

There is an exemption to CPC 27545 for C&R long guns that are over 50 years old. C&R handguns are not exempt and C&R long guns that are less than 50 years old are not exempt.

27965. (a) If all of the following requirements are satisfied, Section 27545 does not apply to the sale, loan, or transfer of a firearm:

(1) The sale, loan, or transfer is infrequent, as defined in Section 16730.
(2) The firearm is not a handgun.
(3) The firearm is a curio or relic manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date but is not a replica, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations, or its successor.