Mauser K98 authenticity help

[daymare]

I am new to Mauser's and was looking at buying from a private seller. I was looking for a RC 98k that was still able to shoot and still has the markings. I found a rifle that is a non-RC. I just wanted to know everyone's opinion (I sent Dr. Mauser and rojocorsa pm on the subject) on this rifle was, since I am willing to pay. I am wondering if you anyone could tell if the codes match the date and factory from which it was built. I did a little research but I am not sure if I am searching correctly. Also, if the price for the rifle is fair.

The seller says it has no import mark and it is a 42 1940 marked, has a good barrel but some parts are not matching (bolt). Seller is asking $475.

Pictures:

http://imgur.com/a/sJvRr

[SKSer45]

hmmm 475 seems a little high for non matching to me....but that's just me because me and blitz got a couple of mausers for less but haven't looked at them yet. Hopefully they are not lemons.

Here is the sight some other CG have giving me and I looked up the markings and numbers. http://mauser98k.internetdsl.pl/kodyen.html

[rojocorsa]

Yeah, +1 for mentioning that site. I should have included it yesterday on the PM.

[emcon5]

Someone will correct me if I am wrong, but I am pretty sure that isn't the original stock. I think it should have a flat butt-plate.

Also, the numbers on the barrel look odd. Not saying they are not original, but they look different than my 42/1940, and they look different than the two 42/1940 rifles in the Photo Reference thread on the K98forum.

[rojocorsa]

Someone will correct me if I am wrong, but I am pretty sure that isn't the original stock. I think it should have a flat butt-plate.

Also, the numbers on the barrel look odd. Not saying they are not original, but they look different than my 42/1940, and they look different than the two 42/1940 rifles in the Photo Reference thread on the K98forum.

Someone here last week said that byf '42s had cupped plates, so is it possible that this is correct for a '40 as well? The stock is one thing I'm unsure of, but I told the OP that it is not an RC because it has no left side number on the rear.


I have no idea about the numbers either way; at least they match.


ETA: According to this

http://www.ycgg.org/pdfpages/ww2/mauser-oberndorf.pdf

They discontinued the flat plates in late 1940 at Obendorf, so I guess that one could be correct.

[mosinnagantm9130]

The triggerguard and floorplate are stamped, late-war production.

The barrel serial number looks odd to me. I'm wondering if they are re-numbered?

[SKSer45]

Yeah, +1 for mentioning that site. I should have included it yesterday on the PM.

Rojo? You! noooo!!! You are my only hope for my 98k mauser cure!!!

@The OP. Going over the photos again...it looks like a good shooter and it is a BYF so that's nice. But just be careful with your money, to try deal and bring the price down a bit. Don't want to throw money in the wind and that can be said about any rifle on PPT. More money you save on the deal more you get to buy ammo with

any accessories come with it? Does have the cleaning Rod which is good.

[Peter in CA]

The barrel looks replaced. The fonts on the barrel serial number and the receiver serial number do not match. Plus the barrel number has been stamped over an existing number. My vote would be "pass".

Peter in CA

[emcon5]

ETA: According to this

http://www.ycgg.org/pdfpages/ww2/mauser-oberndorf.pdf

They discontinued the flat plates in late 1940 at Obendorf, so I guess that one could be correct.

Maybe so, but the reference photo on k98forum is a higher series (mm vs hh for the one in question, so roughly 50,000 rifles later), and has a flat plate.

[emcon5]

@The OP. Going over the photos again...it looks like a good shooter and it is a BYF so that's nice. .

It is not a byf, it is a "42". The floorplate is a late war, stamped byf, which actually could match the stock.

[SKSer45]

It is not a byf, it is a "42". The floorplate is a late war, stamped byf, which actually could match the stock.

oo so when its stamped "byf" to be a true byf has to be stamped were all the serial numbers are?

So that means just the floorplate was made in BYF land correct?

[emcon5]

Yeah, the code for the rifle is on the receiver ring.

byf is still Mauser Oberndorf, but that code didn't start until 1941, and in any case, stamped trigger guards did not appear until 1944.

[TRAP55]

The 42 code is for Mauser, Oberndorf produced 1938-40
The byf code is for Mauser, Oberndorf 1941-45
The cupped buttplate would be correct for a 1940
Restamped barrel and mismatch bolt are both telltales of a Czech refurb....maybe. $475 is still too high if it was. If the bore is good and it head spaces, it's a $300-$325 rifle.
Just noticed the front sight slotted for a hood, that didn't appear till 41.

[SKSer45]

Yeah, the code for the rifle is on the receiver ring.

byf is still Mauser Oberndorf, but that code didn't start until 1941, and in any case, stamped trigger guards did not appear until 1944.

ahhh ok. Hey emcon where can you find all the little nip picks of mausers? I know the website I posted up earlier is the tip of the ice burg. I also know mausers is like a deranged cross word puzzle and can be very difficult. Looking to know more info because I have a mauser on the way want to make sur I get it done right.

[emcon5]

The cupped buttplate would be correct for a 1940

Would be correct, or could be correct?