US made Curio and Relic ban?

[chiefcrash]

So i got my SOG catalog in the mail today. The apparently have some M1 Garands in stock. But I saw something interesting on the Garand ad:

According to SOG, there's some law that prevents the importation of US made curios and relics. And, of course, SOG managed to get the government to approve this one, small lot. (Order yours today, only $695!)

any truth to this, or is SOG just blowing smoke up my six again?

[DutchXpatriot]

There is no ban on importation of U.S.-made curio/relic firearms and SOG isn't saying there is. No such wording in the M1 Rifle ad. You're seeing something that isn't there. The only *fact* in this paragraph is that the gov't approved this lot for import. It says nothing else. What it may or may not suggest is illusionary, delusionary and pure advert magic. The fact is the gov't approves (or not) all firearms imports so the statement is 100% correct.

"The Garand 30-06 Military rifle was adopted in 1936. The M1 remained the standard issue rifle of the United States until it was replaced by the M14 in 1957. S.O.G. has aquired a small lot of these historic rifles in good condition, and is offering them for sale to FFL holders, while they last. There have been rumors of these type rifles being importable for some time now, but it just never happened. We were fortunate to have the Government approve this one, small lot. There may never be another, as it seems the import regulations change just as the administration in Washington changes. These are from Springfield Armory originally, and ended up in an overseas arsenal where they’ve been for decades. These have to be excellent investment rifles!"

Dutch

[Wyatt]

Creative advertising for sure.

[courteousgavin]

For many years there was an Executive Order or State Department policy banning the reimportation of U.S. surplus weapons. Lobbyists were able to get it rescinded last year IIRC. Everybody expected a huge wave of Garands and Carbines to come in after that, but nothing much showed up. The ban never applied to CMP importations because, technically, the CMP wasn't really importing guns. They were just taking possession of guns that the U.S. Army had been loaning to foreign governments.

[.22guy]

DON'T BUY THE SOG GARANDS! Everything I have heard about them makes them sound like CRAP!

[Jarhead]

Check out CMP first

http://www.odcmp.com/

[Bonecrusher]

DON'T BUY THE SOG GARANDS! Everything I have heard about them makes them sound like CRAP!

+1 - I just was reading today about the poor quality of SOG's Garands.

[chiefcrash]

right under the paragraph you wrote, i see this:

"Since 1994, imports of all US made curio and relics have been banned. For over 12 years, every major firearms importer and their fleet of lobbyists have tried and failed to overturn the ban. Since 2001, the "Pro-Gun" Bush Administration and "Pro-Gun" Republican Congress have done nothing to overturn this ban. Now, with San Francisco liberal Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House and Ted Kennedy, Chuck Schumer and Dianne Feinstein running the Senate Judiciary Committee, that ban is sure to stay. Don't miss out on what may be your last chance to own an authentic, US Military M1 Garand!"

i may be crazy, but that sounds like they're saying there's a ban...

I scanned the page in question:

[smle-man]

The reauthorization of importation of C&R weapons in 1986 specifically prohibited the importation of U.S. arms supplied to foreign nations under the Military Assistance Program. Those arms are required to be returned to the custody of the U.S. government once the nation the arms were loaned to no longer need them. Since then an executive order was signed banning the importation of any U.S. military arm. That order was somewhat negated by GWB recently but the restriction on the importation of MAP weapons still exists.

[DutchXpatriot]

That paragraph wasn't included in the online blip.

However, the statement you cite is inaccurate as there have been many U.S.-made curio/relic firearms imported since 1994. One noteable example are the Colt Gov't .45 imported from Argentina that were used by the Policia Federal. I have one purchased from JLD. How do you reconcile that to this statement from SOG?

Dutch

[DutchXpatriot]

The reauthorization of importation of C&R weapons in 1986 specifically prohibited the importation of U.S. arms supplied to foreign nations under the Military Assistance Program. Those arms are required to be returned to the custody of the U.S. government once the nation the arms were loaned to no longer need them. Since then an executive order was signed banning the importation of any U.S. military arm. That order was somewhat negated by GWB recently but the restriction on the importation of MAP weapons still exists.

Sorry, but what's being said in this thread is "all U.S. made curio and relic" firearms. There was no distinction between Lend-Lease, military or civilian firearms.

I agree there is a difference but that's not what this thread is about.

Dutch

[M. D. Van Norman]

However, the statement you cite is inaccurate as there have been many U.S.-made curio/relic firearms imported since 1994. One noteable example are the Colt Gov't .45 imported from Argentina that were used by the Policia Federal. I have one purchased from JLD. How do you reconcile that to this statement from SOG?

[DutchXpatriot]

I said Colt Gov't Model .45...... commercial off the shelf pistolas that were imported from Argentina. Various advertisers called them "Hartford Colts" because it seems some people were confused between the Sistema and the genuine Colt Gov't Model with a C-prefix serial number.

And getting back to the original issue of this thread - a ban on all US made curio relic firearms.

There was no distinction concerning U.S. surplus or military. The comment was "all U.S. made curio relic" firearms. The SOG advert does say that but its not true. The Colt Gov't from Argentina was just one example that was imported post-1996. This has been (another) fun observation on how many people it takes to screw in a light bulb.

It can be a very ugly thing when two Dutch-types argue .
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ex Reseda

[M. D. Van Norman]

[xenophobe]

There is no ban on importation of U.S.-made curio/relic firearms and SOG isn't saying there is.

Yes, there is.

I tried several times to import a large batch of USGI and Beretta Garands from Canada when they were flooding the market. That's when the Garand parts kits started flooding over, and when people were smuggling them in over the Canadian/US border.

ATF denied 3 requests to import these rifles from Canada without explanation. Just "NO". This was in about 2001.

You can contact Denise at LeRoy's Big Valley Gun Works in Glasow, Montana (a licensed importer of firearms) if you don't believe me.