1934 Tikka M27 Bicycle/Ski Trooper

[finloq]

My first M27.
Remington receiver.
Tula hammers/'T's everywhere, the armorer must have been next to the Tula bin, because I can't find anything Izhevsk marked at all?

[finloq]

Underside of barrel

Underside of barrel

A little Westinghouse in there

[finloq]

Love that M27 trigger

Only marking on the Russian/Finnish spliced stock

[Milsurp Collector]

Very cool, nice find!

[paul0660]

thanks for sharing, that is beautiful.

[Flyin Brian]

Very nice. It's interesting that the receiver isn't polished where the top of the trigger body touches. Most of the M27s I have had were polished in that spot, and then some others are not. Is the receiver cut for the winged bolt connector?

[finloq]

Very nice. It's interesting that the receiver isn't polished where the top of the trigger body touches. Most of the M27s I have had were polished in that spot, and then some others are not. Is the receiver cut for the winged bolt connector?

No winged bolt cuts, more's the pity. Didn't they stop this in 1934? Any idea as to what part of '34 this serial number fits into?

Do you have any pictures of the polished receivers?

[Flyin Brian]

No winged bolt cuts, more's the pity. Didn't they stop this in 1934? Any idea as to what part of '34 this serial number fits into?

Do you have any pictures of the polished receivers?

M27s are the one of the very few that I do not track serial numbers on, so I am no help on figuring out what part of the range it is in. I do have a 1934 that is 1,500 higher than yours, if that is any help

I tried to find a photo of the polished area and I can't locate one, so I took a photo I had of an unpolished one and drew some marks to show the area. The next time I have my 28-76 apart I will take a picture of it.

The gray pads are showing the places where it has been polished, and the tiny black arrows are showing that it continues under the trigger in that direction:

[finloq]

The next question (after shooting her, this AM), is: why did the Finns not utilize the M27 trigger in the next generation? Why did the Civil Guard not utilize it?

[Dirtbiker]

I thought ski troopers had the double sling loops in the tail of the stock, or is the feature on a different model?

[finloq]

I thought ski troopers had the double sling loops in the tail of the stock, or is the feature on a different model?

That would be on the M28: http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinM28.htm

I gotta look for one of them next.

[Flyin Brian]

The next question (after shooting her, this AM), is: why did the Finns not utilize the M27 trigger in the next generation? Why did the Civil Guard not utilize it?

I've often wondered the same thing. It would be interesting to learn the details about the politics and competition between the Army and the Civil guard. They obviously had very different opinions on what was the best design, and many of their innovative changes did not get shared with the other team. The M/27 had the nicer trigger and the winged connector, but why did they keep the Konovalov sight and not switch the M/27 to the Mansner rear sight like the M/28-30? They also never adopted the screw-adjustable front sight.

I wonder if the M/27 style trigger works better with a winged bolt connector? Maybe those two variations were designed to work together?

I have a 1938 M/27 and (2) 1940s, and all three do not have the special trigger or the machined slots for the winged bolt connector, which makes me believe they dropped those from the design specs at some point. Maybe it wasn't worth the extra expense and effort?

[bruceflinch]

Very Interesting! Where did you find it?

[mj1]

Nice photos, I gave these to some calgunners

[finloq]

I've often wondered the same thing. It would be interesting to learn the details about the politics and competition between the Army and the Civil guard. They obviously had very different opinions on what was the best design, and many of their innovative changes did not get shared with the other team. The M/27 had the nicer trigger and the winged connector, but why did they keep the Konovalov sight and not switch the M/27 to the Mansner rear sight like the M/28-30? They also never adopted the screw-adjustable front sight.

I wonder if the M/27 style trigger works better with a winged bolt connector? Maybe those two variations were designed to work together?

I have a 1938 M/27 and (2) 1940s, and all three do not have the special trigger or the machined slots for the winged bolt connector, which makes me believe they dropped those from the design specs at some point. Maybe it wasn't worth the extra expense and effort?

As I understand it, when they stopped production in 1934 to start refurbing the existing rifles (noseguard, front stock, etc); they dropped the winged bolt connector.

From Vic's article: This guide and slot modification of the connecting bar assembly of the m/27 bolt, appeared on the first m/27’s in 1927 and continued to be used until early 1933 when it was dropped. It is noted from interviews of some Finnish veterans that often they would remove the Finnish bolt in their rifle and replace it with a Russian bolt when the opportunity presented itself. This was due to the fact that the Russian bolt was not machined too tolerances as tight as the Finnish counterpart and would operate easily under harsh conditions.

The following was in reference to the stocks cracking during bayonet use:

This was a major setback in production of the new m/27 and upon a definitive report on the problem the subsequent manufacture of the m/27 was discontinued immediately. Major General A.S. Heikinheimon was ordered to review the problems. Upon completion of his review he suggested to the Armaments Committee that as of November 8, 1934 any further stock production be halted at the end of the current production run. (48) He further ordered that several repair/modification proposals be looked into to rectify the problems. In 1935 it was decided after various proposals were submitted and considered that a modification of the existing nose cap would solve the problem and was economically feasible. It was also ordered at this time that all existing stocks of weapons would be modified to accept the new nose cap. This newly modified nose cap now had a large steel support leg welded to each side, extending back into the stock in inletted channels of approximately 3 " in length. It was to be retained in the rear of these support legs by a large screw that passed from the right support bar to the left.. The forward retaining screw was also used in the anterior portion of the nose cap. This eliminated the torque applied when the gun was used during bayonet fighting or when the rifle was fired with the bayonet affixed.