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  • meltyman
    Junior Member
    • Jun 2009
    • 51

    1903 bummer

    Went over to a local gun store today, and was surprised to find a very nice RI 1903 in stock. As I was inspecting it, I pulled out my cell phone to check the serial number range. The rifle was in the 260,000 range, and I knew that would be close to the rifles with questionable heat treatment. The salesman saw my actions and deduced their intent. He then said that the serial number was in the safe range, and mentioned the number for the SA rifles as well, >800,000. I knew he was accurate with the 800,000 number (easier to remember than the RI number of 286,506 285,507.) Reassured, I put away my phone without spending the time to check. I bought it for what I thought was an very fair price, (especially for finding one locally) and was on my way excited. After leaving the store, I looked up the number, compared it to my receipt and realized I had just bought a rifle that while statistically may be safe, there was nonetheless a possibility of increased risk that it was unsafe.

    After loading up on reloading supplies at another store (just getting started with that, yay!) I headed back over to the gun store, spoke with another salesman who immediately asked me how I wanted to resolve this, and if I wanted a refund. I was relieved at this, as I was unsure of how easy it would be to reverse the DROS I had just filled out. I offered to pay the cancellation/filing fee of 25$, because despite being misled by the salesman, I had indeed purchased and filed to transfer the rifle.

    I am not posting this to condemn anyone for misinformation, I do believe it was an honest mistake. I have always been very satisfied with this store and it's staff, and they handled this without hesitation or question. (The seriousness of the heat treat problem is debatable anyway, so I do not feel responsible for anyone else that may purchase this in the store. -It sounds like there haven't been any failures since 1917 in the military anyway, despite an incomplete recall of the firearms.) They may be more vigilant in the future due to my return anyway.

    Anyway, I guess I'm just posting this to say, despite how knowledgeable and trustworthy anyone sounds, take that extra 5 minutes to check! I bought a Walther P-38 instead. (Again, yay!)
    Last edited by meltyman; 09-23-2011, 11:00 PM.
  • #2
    major burnout
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • Dec 2010
    • 3860

    Bought a sporterized 1903 188,xxx. The receiver was drilled and tapped on the lefthand side for a old pachmeyer scope mount. Fired several boxes of factory federal ammo through her before I realized I was playing Russian roulette.

    You are better off playing it safe.
    If the wood was real good, or it was all original, passing on it might come back to haunt you.

    Rookie reloads could be really dangerous.
    Calguns- redacted more than Hillarys bengazi emails.

    Originally posted by rattlesnake_nm
    10/4 . Ranger pm'd me. I will chill on replying to insults with my own insults. Thanks for the heads up.
    Originally posted by RickD427
    In addition to all of the above, please note that it is illegal for you to offer an "Assault Weapon" for sale while you are in California, even if the weapon is restricted to sale out of the state.

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    • #3
      smle-man
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Jan 2007
      • 10580

      I believe the records for Rock Island were pretty much on for the change over to proper heat treating compared to SA which they had to more or less guess at.

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      • #4
        big103
        Mod without thumbs
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Jul 2009
        • 3511



        Here`s something that might help. That one was just short of being a safe one.

        Just curious what gun store was this at?
        All Right MEOW

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        • #5
          meltyman
          Junior Member
          • Jun 2009
          • 51

          Yah, I wouldn't have been too heartbroken if I'd had to keep it if reversing the transfer was too much hassle. But, I'm not too much of a collector and more of a shooter. I didn't check for matching or anything, as I like to buy guns that I will shoot, and get to know them better later through research. I was what I felt a fair price for what I wanted, so was not to concerned on specific monetary or collector value.

          And yes, this would not have been the test for new reloads!

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          • #6
            meltyman
            Junior Member
            • Jun 2009
            • 51

            This was at J&G in Granite Bay. I didn't post the name to start with, to kinda 'feel it out' to make sure no-one was harsh regarding the salesman. I would like to re-iterate how much I like this store, and how accommodating they were with this transactions as well as past ones. You can always find something cool/interesting/different there, and everyone I have encountered is helpful and friendly.

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            • #7
              meltyman
              Junior Member
              • Jun 2009
              • 51

              Quick correction to my the RIA serial number above. The CMP (from the link by big103) states 285,507. I trust them more than the anonymous article I got the first number from.

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              • #8
                bruceflinch
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Jan 2006
                • 40127

                Sounds like an honest mistake. J&G has a pretty good reputation, till guys like Chucker & Kampher Lin buy something from them.....
                Actually I only started collecting Milsurps 3 years ago. I think I might own about 24...They're cheaper than guns that will most likely never get the opportunity to kill somebody...

                I belong to the group that uses firearms, and knows which bathroom to use.

                Tis better to have Trolled & lost, Than to never have Trolled, at all.

                Secret Club Member?.

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                • #9
                  Remus
                  Member
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 429

                  They seemed quite accommodating. Now, if that rifle went up for sale again without properly being marked unsafe I would take issue.

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                  • #10
                    TheExpertish
                    Veteran Member
                    • Jul 2011
                    • 3451

                    Glad it worked out. I am sure you'll have a blast with the P38.
                    sigpic
                    Originally posted by starsnuffer
                    It's an HK, I could lube it with sand and superglue and it'd work just fine.

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                    • #11
                      Paulie Lugnuts
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 1756

                      You might check out River City Gun Exchange on Fruitridge. I was in there a couple of weeks ago and Don showed me a nice 1903A3 they have for sale.
                      Because milsurp.

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                      • #12
                        big103
                        Mod without thumbs
                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Jul 2009
                        • 3511

                        Might have to go look at this one.

                        Thanks for the location meltyman.
                        All Right MEOW

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                        • #13
                          fatfreadiescat
                          Senior Member
                          • Jun 2011
                          • 669

                          J&G sold me a 1917 winchester with a DP marked bolt (drill purpose) didn't notice until I got it home.
                          Had to go through 3 winchester bolts to find one that just barely headspaced,

                          I'm very carefull now dealing with J&G, the highest priced gunshop in Sacramento

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                          • #14
                            chknlyps2
                            Senior Member
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 2191

                            Originally posted by meltyman
                            Quick correction to my the RIA serial number above. The CMP (from the link by big103) states 285,507. I trust them more than the anonymous article I got the first number from.
                            I read a couple different articals that had the same mid 285,XXX range as the cut off point, I found a RI 1903 #276,2XX last year and the asking price was $600, I showed him the articals and walked away with it for $375. I have not shot it but he said he did 30 years ago, many times in fact. I picked up a sporter RI 1903 #430,5XX to shoot this year for $250. I was going to swap wood but the sporter is way to clean, like it has been polished and re-blued so I will shoot it and just look at the older one. I might work up some real light loads and test in the sporter to shoot in the older one some day if I get brave.

                            meltyman, what were they asking for the one you returned if you don't mind? I was wondering if I paid to much for a gun I will probably never shoot.
                            Wanted: Spent Berdan primed Yugo 7.62x39 & 7.5x55 GP11 Swiss brass

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                            • #15
                              smle-man
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 10580

                              I have read that in a test recently several low number receivers were struck with a heavy hammer to see how they held up and at least one cracked. A chap from Australia told me that he was shooting his 1919 vintage RI 03, heard a sound like a tuning fork being struck and found a crack in the receiver of his rifle. If the receiver suffers a base failure in a case (unlikely except in Korean or French ball ammo or WW1 U.S. ammo) it may shatter.

                              FWIW

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