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  • Metazorro
    Junior Member
    • Dec 2004
    • 12

    Oops - never got renewal - do I start over?

    Hi

    I have an 03 FFL - just realized it expired Sept 1. Never got a renewal notice. Do I have to start all over?

    I cannot find the renwal ap on the ATF website?

    thank you

    Richard
  • #2
    icormba
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 1826

    Good question! Mine expires this Feb 08.

    Tagging for the answer.
    Chris
    http://www.m1garand.net

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    • #3
      Mssr. Eleganté
      Blue Blaze Irregular
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Oct 2005
      • 10401

      Yes, you have to start over. But the application for a Type 03 FFL is less intrusive than the form to renew your FFL.

      or who has not timely submitted an application for renewal of the previous license issued under this part, shall file an application, ATF Form 7CR (Curios and Relics), with ATF in accordance with the instructions on the form.

      Last edited by Mssr. Eleganté; 09-05-2007, 11:39 PM.
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      • #4
        ocabj
        Calguns Addict
        • Oct 2005
        • 7924

        Mine was going to expire in March 2007. I got the renewal notice in December 2006. Sent it in that month and got the renewed license in 2 weeks.

        They're supposed to send you the renewal form ahead of time. You'll want to call the ATF so you can get your license active again. The cost of a new license and a renewal are the same. As far as anyone accepting your current license now is questionable.

        Distinguished Rifleman #1924
        NRA Certified Instructor (Rifle and Metallic Cartridge Reloading) and RSO
        NRL22 Match Director at WEGC

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        • #5
          PJA
          Member
          • Oct 2005
          • 269

          Call them. They can be quite helpful.
          Pete

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          • #6
            jmlivingston
            Moderator Emeritus
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Oct 2005
            • 5095

            You start over. Guess how I know? Missed my renewal by 1 day....

            The good thing? You get to start a new bound book with your new license.

            John

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            • #7
              762cavalier
              NRA Training Counselor
              CGN Contributor
              • Oct 2005
              • 3626

              Haha I missed my renewal by one day also. Guess what? Whole new license, with a new bound book
              In any type of fight, & especially gun fights, there are no winners ..... just varying degrees of losers. The only fight you win is the one you never get into.

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              • #8
                Fate
                Calguns Addict
                • Apr 2006
                • 9545

                Not only a new bound book, but you can destroy the old one and unless you sell one of those "previously owned" rifles as an 03 holder, there is no record keeping requirement for them anymore.
                sigpic "On bended knee is no way to be free." - Eddie Vedder, "Guaranteed"

                "Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks." -Thomas Jefferson
                , in a letter to his nephew Peter Carr dated August 19, 1785

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                • #9
                  Metazorro
                  Junior Member
                  • Dec 2004
                  • 12

                  Called them - told me to start over.

                  Oh well

                  rz

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                  • #10
                    Blue
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 8070

                    No kidding? I thought they'd be money hungry like the DMV and badger the hell out of you for renewal fees. So once it expires it expires? No phone call or black helicopters?
                    Lord, make my hand fast and accurate.
                    Let my aim be true and my hand faster
                    than those who would seek to destroy me.
                    Grant me victory over my foes and those who wish to do harm to me and mine.
                    Let not my last thought be 'If I only had my gun."
                    And Lord, if today is truly the day you call me home, let me die in an empty pile of brass.
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                    • #11
                      jmlivingston
                      Moderator Emeritus
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 5095

                      Originally posted by Blue84s10
                      No kidding? I thought they'd be money hungry like the DMV and badger the hell out of you for renewal fees. So once it expires it expires? No phone call or black helicopters?
                      Yup! And you can destroy your previous bound book too.

                      John

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                      • #12
                        AJAX22
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • May 2006
                        • 14980

                        I plan on holding a bonfire on the third anaversary of my 03FFL licence... folowed by a new application the next day

                        being an 03 is great
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                        • #13
                          hylander
                          Veteran Member
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 3855

                          So what you are all saying is if you let your Lisence expire the holding onto your bound book for 20 years no longer applies ?
                          Failure is not an Option

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                          • #14
                            Blue
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 8070

                            Originally posted by hylander
                            So what you are all saying is if you let your Lisence expire the holding onto your bound book for 20 years no longer applies ?
                            +1 I thought you had to save those.
                            Lord, make my hand fast and accurate.
                            Let my aim be true and my hand faster
                            than those who would seek to destroy me.
                            Grant me victory over my foes and those who wish to do harm to me and mine.
                            Let not my last thought be 'If I only had my gun."
                            And Lord, if today is truly the day you call me home, let me die in an empty pile of brass.
                            sigpic
                            NRA Member

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                            • #15
                              Fate
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Apr 2006
                              • 9545

                              Originally posted by hylander
                              So what you are all saying is if you let your Lisence expire the holding onto your bound book for 20 years no longer applies ?
                              That's only for 01FFLs and even then when they close their business the records go back to the ATF. That "20 year" rule is for businesses that have been around for a long while and essentially says they don't have to keep records older than 20 years old. It's poorly written, but that's what it's all about.
                              sigpic "On bended knee is no way to be free." - Eddie Vedder, "Guaranteed"

                              "Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks." -Thomas Jefferson
                              , in a letter to his nephew Peter Carr dated August 19, 1785

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