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  • Mutant
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2009
    • 828

    C&R licence Question

    "I'm so confused." --- Vinne Barbarino

    Can one use dowloaded forms to send to BATF as an application for C&R licence or do you have to use forms mailed to you by the BATF???

    I seem to get different impressions from different forums, or even from the same posts on the issue.
    Life is hard. Being stupid makes it harder. - John Wayne
  • #2
    Milspec714
    Vendor/Retailer
    • Aug 2009
    • 678

    Best to use what they send you... I used a downloaded form once and they rejected it due to that it was an old form that they no longer accept... so i used what they sent me and no problems.
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    • #3
      paul0660
      In Memoriam
      • Jul 2007
      • 15669

      It used to be that there were no forms available online. Now they are:



      Afaik they have been using the same form for about 5-6 years. The above is identical to the forms they sent me, and I filled out, in 2007
      *REMOVE THIS PART BEFORE POSTING*

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      • #4
        EricClay
        Member
        • Feb 2009
        • 144

        I have a complete write up on getting your C&R here [C&R Application Process]

        It has links to the new online forms you need, sample CLEO letter etc. Let me know if its helpful.

        Eric

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        • #5
          Milspec714
          Vendor/Retailer
          • Aug 2009
          • 678

          I have a complete write up on getting your C&R here [C&R Application Process]
          OUTSTANDING... Very Nice.... IS that your website? Co?
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          • #6
            Mutant
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2009
            • 828

            Originally posted by EricClay
            I have a complete write up on getting your C&R here [C&R Application Process]

            It has links to the new online forms you need, sample CLEO letter etc. Let me know if its helpful.

            Eric
            Very helpful. Thanks. I refer others to this excellent write up.
            Life is hard. Being stupid makes it harder. - John Wayne

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            • #7
              jubjubrsx
              Member
              • Mar 2011
              • 457

              Originally posted by EricClay
              I have a complete write up on getting your C&R here [C&R Application Process]

              It has links to the new online forms you need, sample CLEO letter etc. Let me know if its helpful.

              Eric
              wow that is helpful....looked over that realized i put country not county in a few places on my app...hummm wander if it will be rejected?
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              • #8
                laika
                Member
                • Jun 2010
                • 384

                My local BATF sent me forms this year which were several years out of date. Download and follow the above gentleman's very helpful instructions.
                Originally posted by Rally Dave
                Haha....too much AR shooting and you become a wennie!
                The cure: Buy a Mosin M44 and shoot 100 rounds as fast as you can. When you can handle that, you are good to go.
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                • #9
                  peterabbits
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 1266

                  in reading the write-up above of how to fill out the form, i realized that under "title" i didn't know what to put and so put "self" - wonder if that will cause a delay and/or rejection of my application?

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                  • #10
                    EricClay
                    Member
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 144

                    Originally posted by peterabbits
                    in reading the write-up above of how to fill out the form, i realized that under "title" i didn't know what to put and so put "self" - wonder if that will cause a delay and/or rejection of my application?
                    I don't think so. On my first C&R application I put "owner" for title.. It wasn't until I read through their recent documentation that I saw they where looking for "collector". I didn't have any problems with the application.

                    Eric

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                    • #11
                      CaliB&R
                      Member
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 237

                      Isn't the Certification of Compliance redundant for an individual especially if they are a citizen? The info they are asking on that form is only needed if there is more than one person, on the C&R app. Otherwise its question #10 on the C&R app.

                      From the ATF website (emphasis mine)
                      In addition to the below documents, applications must be accompanied by a signed Certification of Compliance (ATF F 5330.20) for each additional Responsible Person (RP) on the license, if applicable.
                      Last edited by CaliB&R; 04-26-2011, 10:00 AM.
                      An err on the side of caution, is still an err. - me

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                      • #12
                        EricClay
                        Member
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 144

                        [QUOTE=CaliB&R;6276833]Isn't the Certification of Compliance redundant for an individual especially if they are a citizen? The info they are asking on that form is only needed if there is more than one person, on the C&R app. Otherwise its question #10 on the C&R app.

                        [updated response below]

                        Thanks
                        Eric
                        Last edited by EricClay; 04-26-2011, 1:11 PM.

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                        • #13
                          EricClay
                          Member
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 144

                          I just re-read the ATF web page and now I believe it is required for everyone. The entire context of their statement is:

                          In addition to the below documents
                          ================================================== ========

                          The key words are "in addition to".. So Every application includes 5310.16 and 5330.20 AND each additional responsible party includes another 5330.20

                          Eric

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                          • #14
                            CaliB&R
                            Member
                            • Oct 2010
                            • 237

                            Well they must have let me slide, cause all I sent in was the Application for Federal Firearm License, and they billed my card today.

                            But like I said, read question 10 and read the Certification of Compliance, they are the same thing. Why would they need it in duplicate. And as a US citizen, I am not an non-immigrant alien that needs to comply with anything.
                            An err on the side of caution, is still an err. - me

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                            • #15
                              ke6guj
                              Moderator
                              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                              • Nov 2003
                              • 23725

                              Originally posted by CaliB&R
                              Well they must have let me slide, cause all I sent in was the Application for Federal Firearm License, and they billed my card today.
                              .
                              that doesn't mean anything. They get the money portion taken care of in the beginning, and then they work on your app later on. Just cause they charged your carddoesn't mean that you will be approved.
                              Jack



                              Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

                              No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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