Another C&R question clarification.

[JDPhx501]

Hey guys, I'm dealing with a semi-troll on a private firearms-airsoft related forum.

He says that I could have skipped "all the redtape bs and buy CR rifle/shotgun FTF" implying that I don't need a CR license to buy from someone with a CR 03 selling such a eligible firearm.

Before I hit the reply saying that is false, I just want to be sure here.

I was under the impression that if I want to sell a piece from my collection I must legally record that in my bound book and the buyer must be either a 03 CR holder as well or we must go through an 01 FFL to DROS and record the transaction/transfer.

I just want to be correct before I reply and make sure that no one on the other sight gets the wrong information.

Thanks again!!!

[TRICKSTER]

Any 50+ year old, (non assault weapon), long gun can be sold between private parties in CA as long as both are CA residents of legal age. No FFL required.
If buying from a 03 FFL he will need your CDL info for his bound book.

[Malmon]

Any 50+ year old, (non assault weapon), long gun can be sold between private parties in CA as long as both are CA residents of legal age. No FFL required.
If buying from a 03 FFL he will need your CDL info for his bound book.

In this transaction between private parties as described, are there any paperworks involved?

[rromeo]

No paperwork is required, but the licensee must put all info in the bound book.
Also, a non licensee can cross a state line and purchase a C&R rifle or shotgun from a C&R licensee as long as the sale complies with laws in both states. I presume that means California too, if it's 50 years old.

[Malmon]

pardon my ignorance, but which one is the licensee? If the seller is not an FFL, are there any requirements to sell a C&R rifle?

[Norsemen308]

i read up on this pretty extensively, basically if two joe smoe's want to sell a gun from Joe A to Joe B and the gun is older then 50 year's old You can meet, shake hands and transfer the gun without any paperwork. I was told by a sheriff that It would be best if atleast both show CA license in case you ever (god forbid) have to testify to that.

the only time a C&R is needed is again ordering over the internet and shipped to your door, the C&R allows a person to do that, for us "unworthies" it cannot happen.

[TRICKSTER]

If it's between two unlicensed parties, no paperwork is required. It's a good idea to keep a record to CYA, but it is not required by law.

[Malmon]

Thank you all for sharing your knowledge.

[SVT-40]

i read up on this pretty extensively, basically if two joe smoe's want to sell a gun from Joe A to Joe B and the gun is older then 50 year's old You can meet, shake hands and transfer the gun without any paperwork. I was told by a sheriff that It would be best if atleast both show CA license in case you ever (god forbid) have to testify to that.

the only time a C&R is needed is again ordering over the internet and shipped to your door, the C&R allows a person to do that, for us "unworthies" it cannot happen.

For additional clarity.

If Joe A is the seller and has a C&R ffl he must record the buyer's (Joe B's) name, address, DOB and drivers license or ID card number in his bound book. Or if Joe B also has a C&R just his name and ffl number.

If Joe A is the buyer and has a C&R license. He must get the sellers (Joe B's) name and address and enter that information in his bound book. If Joe B also has a C&R license he should provide a copy of his license to Joe A so he can record the license information in his bound book.

If you have a C&R license you must enter ALL transactions involving ANY C&R firearms in your bound book regardless if a DROS is involved or not.