selling C&R receivers ?

[Plywood]

I think I already know the answer to this, but I want to make sure,

Can C&R receivers/barreled actions be sold face-to-face or do they need to go through an FFL?

If I remember, C&R definition is for complete,unmodified rifles only, so they would need to be transferred through an FFL correct?

Thanks!

[cmichini]

That's my interpretation of the C&R section that says it must be in original configuration (i.e., the rifle/pistol in its complete form, not receiver only) or it has to go through regular DROS.

[emcon5]

"original configuration" does not appear in the law.

(2) Subdivision (d) and paragraph (1) of subdivision (f) of Section 12072 shall not apply to the infrequent sale, loan, or transfer of a firearm that is not a handgun, which is a curio or relic manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas thereof, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations, or its successor.

The referenced Code of Federal Regulations:

Curios or relics. Firearms which are of special interest to collectors by reason of some quality other than is associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons. To be recognized as curios or relics, firearms must fall within one of the following categories:

(a) Firearms which were manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas thereof;

(b) Firearms which are certified by the curator of a municipal, State, or Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; and

(c) Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event. Proof of qualification of a particular firearm under this category may be established by evidence of present value and evidence that like firearms are not available except as collector's items, or that the value of like firearms available in ordinary commercial channels is substantially less.

The ATF pulled the "Original Configuration" thing out of their arse by globally applying requirements outlined "ATF Ruling 85-10" which dealt with importing surplus firearms to all C&Rs. Text can be found Here, bottom of the page.

[powaybob]

I thought CMP sold barreled receivers to C&R holders. I have not bought any so I could be wrong.

[Flintlock Tom]

CMP sells barreled receivers to anyone, not just C&R holders. They are able to ship them to your door because of who they are, not who you are.

[.22guy]

I thought CMP sold barreled receivers to C&R holders. I have not bought any so I could be wrong.

CMP operates under a government charter, and what they sell has nothing to do with CA C&R law.

[Robidouxs]

As per the ATF, bare receivers shall not be considered C&R eligible. They have to be DROSed through an FFL.

[Milsurp Collector]

As per the ATF, bare receivers shall not be considered C&R eligible. They have to be DROSed through an FFL.

That applies to interstate commerce. Face to face in California, state law applies.

[TheRealVIC]

So can he or can't he sell a C&R receiver face to face?????

[.22guy]

So can he or can't he sell a C&R receiver face to face?????

No.

[Wyseguy]

So can he or can't he sell a C&R receiver face to face?????

If by face-to-face you mean a private party transfer drosed by an FFL, then yes, but if you mean cash and carry, no.

[Plywood]

Thanks for the info all.

@emcon5 thanks for the references! reading law makes my head hurt lol.

[Interloper]

If the receiver is 50+ years old I can't see why you couldn't buy/sell it FTF in California. ATF C&R laws are irrelevant in this case.

[Plywood]

Now I'm confused. Where exactly does it say you can't cash-and-carry a C&R receiver/barreled action?

Per the reg's it doesn't specify a complete firearm.

[rjf]

An over 50 yr old receiver face to face in CA is OK, just like other long guns. An 01 dealer needs to DROS, 03 instate ok, 03 shipping a receiver out of state is unclear. Importing receivers from other countries is not allowed. Depends on comfort level.