arisaka band removal?

[Guest]

hey every one,
between my sks issue and my arisaka i have my hands full. so i bought a type 99. it was not in sad shape but needed some TLC. i bought replacement parts and so on but the worst parts are the barrel bands. the rear one is warper and the front one is heavily corroded and im afraid it might snap and come loose.
does any one know how to remove the front sight? should i cut them off? i have seen a late war barrel band that is welded on from the bottom. it would not be hard to grind the welds, snap it over the barrel and reweld it. but i am very very heasatant to do any thing like this, only if i need to.
any ideas?

[Milsurp Collector]

Please don't do anything to the front sight, it isn't necessary.

To remove the upper band, remove the screws and then the thin metal blanking plate that the cleaning rod goes through.

Then pull the front band forward and rotate it so it is upside down (bayonet lug on top). The upper band will then slide off. If it is tight between the top of the protective ears for the front sight and the inside of the band some lube will help, but you should be able to wiggle it off. Then remove the screw that retains the lower band and it will slide off too.

[gunboat]

I am not sure I agree about just manipulating the front band off -- I have had to remove the front sight. The sight has a pin at the base that is driven out, then the sight is tapped off. Perhaps there are variations between models and dates of manufacture.

[Haggar85]

ok, not going to remove front sight and i think i have an ice cream cones chance in heck of doing it. the pin is barely visible and its been ground flush,so thats not looking like an option.
the front band had a bracket spot welded to the front plate (this inside the band.). the bracket attaches to the front screw holes as well. kind of stuck and i am not sure how to proceed.
so far i have scrubbed the whole rifle with kroil and gotten excellent results. the only real issue it the barrel bands. once i get the trigger bushing which appears to be missing and another sear ill be in business. i managed to get a toyo kogyo (aka Mazda) replacement trigger guard for cheap and another firing pin spring just to have on hand. making some head way

[Spiggy]

Please don't do anything to the front sight, it isn't necessary.

To remove the upper band, remove the screws and then the thin metal blanking plate that the cleaning rod goes through.

Then pull the front band forward and rotate it so it is upside down (bayonet lug on top). The upper band will then slide off. If it is tight between the top of the protective ears for the front sight and the inside of the band some lube will help, but you should be able to wiggle it off. Then remove the screw that retains the lower band and it will slide off too.

some late war guns are basically spotwelded together and will not come apart.

got a picture and more details on your gun?

[Milsurp Collector]

the front band had a bracket spot welded to the front plate (this inside the band.). the bracket attaches to the front screw holes as well. kind of stuck and i am not sure how to proceed.

As I described earlier, there is a blanking plate that fits into the front of the upper band. It simply slips inside the upper band and is retained by the screws.





The spot welds you are seeing attach the bracket part to the face of the blanking plate.

It might be a little stuck from rust but you should be able to tap the blanking plate out of the upper band from behind with a dowel or brass punch. Use your Kroil penetrating oil to loosen the rust if that is what is making it stick together.

some late war guns are basically spotwelded together and will not come apart.

got a picture and more details on your gun?

He has a thread about it. It's a Series 23 http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=346157

He should be able to remove the bands as I described.

[Milsurp Collector]

I am not sure I agree about just manipulating the front band off -- I have had to remove the front sight. The sight has a pin at the base that is driven out, then the sight is tapped off. Perhaps there are variations between models and dates of manufacture.

It can be tight but the front band will slip off if it is turned upside down.

The pins attaching the front sight are ground flush and the front sight isn't meant to be removed. Think about it: the Arisaka has a lot of clever and well-thought-out design features. They never would have made it necessary to remove the front sight just to field strip the rifle.

[Spiggy]

He has a thread about it. It's a Series 23 http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=346157

He should be able to remove the bands as I described.

oh ok, I didn't see the thread I'm loosening up on the calguns since I hit 7,000

[Haggar85]

Thanks milsurplus, ill soak it in kroil and give it a whack with a punch. i slightly misunderstood, i get it now, thanks for the photos.

[Haggar85]

i will not be unscrewing any thing or sawing any thing off

[Haggar85]

got them off, thanks again.

[campperrykid]

I am not sure I agree about just manipulating the front band off -- I have had to remove the front sight. The sight has a pin at the base that is driven out, then the sight is tapped off. Perhaps there are variations between models and dates of manufacture.

There are huge differences between the pre-Pearl Harbor models and the later last ditch guns. Best do some research before doing anything to the later models. For example , some have two piece forearms and the front band is swaged on... ( Not a duffle cut , made that way at the factory. )
The changes from the fine finishes and careful machine work of 1940 came slowly . By the end , some 7.7 rifles had a hole for a piece of rope in the butt and a wire wrapped around the forend to tie off the end of the rope.

[Haggar85]

arisaka production did take some simplifications steps through out the course of the war. i am reading up on these and its has been said by some that the design had 4 simplification revisions. while the arisaka might looks crude and half made out of wood in 1945, i would very happily use a type 99 substitute than a late war German Mauser. with a rope sling or not, i am learning that these things are not the complete pieces of crap they are made out to be

[Spiggy]

Actually the quality and inspection involved in the manufacture of the arisaka receiver alone would put some of the most competitive contemporaries to shame.

[campperrykid]

IMO , the T99 rifle was , as a minimum , one of the top 2 or 3 bolt action rifles of WW2. The only real competition was the 1903a3 and the Enfield #4 . The T38 6.5 Carbine could be the best bolt action fighting carbine ever produced in significant numbers.