Does an ATF form 7cr need to have a fingerprint and photo card?

[trnorman]

According to my local PD, I need to submit a fingerprint and photo card. I was under the impress this was only required for a standard form 7, not the C&R form 7.

[bigcasino]

ATF does not require it. Maybe your PD wants it on file but not required.

[ke6guj]

According to my local PD, I need to submit a fingerprint and photo card. I was under the impress this was only required for a standard form 7, not the C&R form 7.

with the 7CR form, there is no federal requirement for fingerprints. however, the vendor that mails the apps out for ATF sometimes includes a fingerpirnt card by mistake. you can ignore the print card.

The standard form 7 card specifically states that you must include fingerpint cards, the 7CR form does no. Just send in one copy of the 7CR form to your CLEO and the othe copy to ATF (noting which CLEO you sent it to). If the CLEO has an problem with the lack of fingerprint cards, he can take it up with ATF.

[TRICKSTER]

If you are applying for a 03 FFL, fingerprints are not required. The only involvement you should have with your PD is sending the CLEO a copy of your application. It sounds like they are confusing you with the requirements for a 01 FFL.
If your city has some law requiring 03 FFL's to have prints on file with the local PD then it would be needed for the PD, not ATF, but I haven't heard of any CA cities doing this.

[trnorman]

The Lieutenant I spoke with gave me back the copy of the form and a printout of the NRI-ILA website discussing FFL's with the following highlighted;

A person who wishes to obtain an FFL must submit to the BATFE regional office the appropriate form (ATF form 7), fee, photograph, and fingerprints obtained from a law enforcement agency. (Write BATFE at P.O. Box 2994, Atlanta, GA 30301 or call 404-417-2750.) The BATFE has 60 days to approve or reject the application. Licenses and fees are:

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/factsheets/read.aspx?id=70

When she asked if I had read the website, I thought she was referring to the AFT site that shows the only requirement for a C&R to be the form 7CR.

http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5310-16-notice.html

It appears as though my local PD is confused.

I see that ATF charged my CC two weeks ago for the $30.00 fee, I would assume if there was something missing from my application I would have received it back by now.

If the local PD is confused about the process, what is my responsibility to have them accept the copy of the form?

Does ATF contact the local PD during the application process to see if I have submitted a copy?

If ATF sends the FFL assuming I have met all of their requirements should I take that to the local PD with a copy of the form they returned and inform them it was merely a copy for them to keep on file.

Sorry for the list of questions, just trying to figure out what to do.

[ke6guj]

The Lieutenant I spoke with gave me back the copy of the form and a printout of the NRI-ILA website discussing FFL's with the following highlighted;

A person who wishes to obtain an FFL must submit to the BATFE regional office the appropriate form (ATF form 7), fee, photograph, and fingerprints obtained from a law enforcement agency. (Write BATFE at P.O. Box 2994, Atlanta, GA 30301 or call 404-417-2750.) The BATFE has 60 days to approve or reject the application. Licenses and fees are:

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/factsheets/read.aspx?id=70

that FAQ from NRA-ILA is talking about business FFLs, not collector FFLs, but I can see how an LEO could be confused.

When she asked if I had read the website, I thought she was referring to the AFT site that shows the only requirement for a C&R to be the form 7CR.

http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5310-16-notice.html

It appears as though my local PD is confused.

yup, they are confused.

You could print out both the Form 7 and the Form 7CR to show them the difference, if you want.

I see that ATF charged my CC two weeks ago for the $30.00 fee, I would assume if there was something missing from my application I would have received it back by now.

nope, not neccessarily.

If the local PD is confused about the process, what is my responsibility to have them accept the copy of the form?

your responsibility is to send it to them. What they do with it after you send it to them is not your responsibilty. I suggest mailing it to them, not taking it to them in person. Address it to the CLEO and be done with it.

Does ATF contact the local PD during the application process to see if I have submitted a copy?

In most cases, probably not.

If ATF sends the FFL assuming I have met all of their requirements should I take that to the local PD with a copy of the form they returned and inform them it was merely a copy for them to keep on file.

just send the CLEO the CLEO copy at the beginning and be done with them. You do not need to show them your approved FFL or give them a copy.

All you are required to do is give them a copy, if they are ignorant about the C&R FFL process, that is their problem, not yours.

[trnorman]

just send the CLEO the CLEO copy at the beginning and be done with them. You do not need to show them your approved FFL or give them a copy.

All you are required to do is give them a copy, if they are ignorant about the C&R FFL process, that is their problem, not yours.

I mailed the ATF copy and the CLEO copy on the same day. I received a message from the local PD that they had some questions. I call and was informed that my application was missing the fingerprint card. I informed them that it was not needed but they wanted to mail it back to me. Since I work two blocks from the PD I walked up there on my lunch break, figuring I would be able to explain it to them. The Lt. was very nice, but had obviously not handled many of these, if any at all.

I now have in my possession the CLEO copy that I mailed to them on September 21st with the instructions to read the NRA-ILA site and obtain the fingerprints. I got the impression that she thought it was an application they had to process, not a copy to keep on file.

I think i will send it back to them with a letter explaining that this a copy that is required to be sent to them, not the actual application.

[ke6guj]

I now have in my possession the CLEO copy that I mailed to them on September 21st with the instructions to read the NRA-ILA site and obtain the fingerprints. I got the impression that she thought it was an application they had to process, not a copy to keep on file.

thats their mistake, not yours.

I think i will send it back to them with a letter explaining that this a copy that is required to be sent to them, not the actual application.

I would just keep the copy they mailed you back and put it in your records. You followed the instructions and sent it to the CLEO. The return of the app from the CLEO proves that you did your part. Not your problem that they can't follow the instructions printed on the app.

[trnorman]

I should have clarified, the Lt. handed me the form when I was there today and instructed me to go to the local Community College, as they are the ones who perform finger printing.

[ke6guj]

there is no need to do that. YOu mailed the CLEO copy to the CLEO and noted that on the ATF copy. You're done. You followed the directions on the form. The fact that they gave it back to you is not your fault. The fact that they think they need fingerprints based on an NRA-ILA FAQ is not your fault.

[TRICKSTER]

It's been a couple years since I got my C&R, but aren't the instructions for the CLEO on the bottom of the second page of the application. I believe that it basically states that there is no action required by the CLEO unless they have knowledge that would disqualify the applicant. If they have a reason they believe would disqualify the applicant, they should contact the licensing center.

I have a question for the OP. Did you send anything other than the CLEO copy of your application to the CLEO? I keep track of postings on several C&R related forums, and it seems that the people that have problems are those who ask for a response or add a lengthy cover page that makes it look like a response is needed. It seems that those who keep it simple and just do what the ATF requires (just send the CLEO copy, nothing more, nothing less) have less problems. If you make it look like it's a big deal, your PD may feel obligated to treat it like one.

[trnorman]

I sent in nothing but the CLEO copy of the form. I got the impression from the Lt. I spoke to that they rarely see these applications, in fact, she made reference to "a similar situation a few months ago".

And yes, on the bottom of the last page it states this is a copy for notification purposes and if they have any information that would disqualify the candidate they can contact ATF.

[TRICKSTER]

Sound like your good to go. You delivered the copy, what they do with it from that point on is not your problem, you fulfilled your legal requirements. The fact that they chose to give it back to you doesn't matter. I know that some departments just throw them out.