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  • pullnshoot25
    Banned
    • Mar 2007
    • 8068

    The P-25 is ALIVE!

    As some of you may have noticed, P-series Mosins are a current interest of mine and I recently acquired a P-26 to match my P-27. From the data that I have collected on these rifles, they are pretty rare (8/10 on the scale from 7.62x54R.net) and the history behind them is somewhat scarce (though I am working on a more in-depth profile to go along with my data sheet)

    The one thing that has seemed to evade the Mosin community until recently is the existence of the P-25. With the help of sd_shooter getting me started on a Finnish gun forum, I was able to post and ask our brethren across the pond about these rifles. A bit of digging and asking around revealed this little beauty:



    On our soil though, there is a legitimate P-25. It actually sparked a debate and showed me just how egotistical some of the 7.62x54R.net moderators are.

    Here is the post I just made about it...


    Finally, I have some time to post on this topic.

    It would appear that the P-25 does indeed exist and that 7.62x54R's apparent need to dishonestly silence opposition to his knowledge supreme should be quelled as well. (Yeah, I thought it was really, really lame that you, 7.62x54R, locked my my legitimate P-series post and moved it to to Non-Mosin Collecting. Link here: http://7.62x54r.net/Forums/index.php?topic=7836.0)

    That said, I would like to say that in light of the following facts...

    1) Tula of Finland's P-25 with a serial less than 90 (click here for the post I made in Finland: http://www.pkymasehist.fi/phpBB2/vie...st=0&sk=t&sd=a) (picture attached)
    2) Millman's unmarked P-series with a serial number of 39 (picture attached)
    3) Jumperwire's P-26 with a serial of 310, which is the lowest serial number P-26 that I have data for (picture attached)

    ... I think that 7.62x54r.net should remove their current photo of an unmarked P-series rifle, serial number 333 (screenshot attached) from their Finnish M91 page and replace it with Tuco's P-25 and millman's unmarked P-25. Obviously, 333 is not a P-25 since it is outside of the possible serial number range and given the numerical circumstances, millman's rifle can be nothing but a P-25.

    I would also like to ask for 7.62x54R to unlock my thread and place it back where it belongs. Silencing inquiring minds and stifling interest in these unique rifles (especially among younger collectors such as myself) does absolutely nothing to promote the good interest of preserving and uncovering history. I am certain that most of the people on this site would agree with that sentiment.

    In the event that I am wrong about 7.62x54R and he simply decides to just ban me... it was nice talking to you all. You can find me over on my home forum, Calguns.net, if anyone wants to talk history.

    CARRY ON!

    -N8

    P.S. On an interesting side note, it would appear that the P-25 might be the rarest of the M91s. While only 200 SAT M91s were made, only 178 P-25's were apparerently made. IIRC, only 3 SAT M91s are in private hands while two P-25s are in private hands with one more rumored to be in a Finnish Museum. Pretty cool stuff.
    Please keep in mind that I am not taking credit for finding the P-25. I am merely excited that after so much searching, I was able to just track the damn thing down and settle the score.

    CARRY ON!

    -N8




  • #2
    mosinnagantm9130
    Calguns Addict
    • May 2009
    • 8782

    Personally I hope this actually enlightens some people...
    Originally posted by GoodEyeSniper
    My neighbors think I'm a construction worker named Bruce.

    Little do they know that's just my stripper outfit and name.
    Originally posted by ChopperX
    I am currently cleaning it and I noticed when I squeeze the snake this white paste like substance comes out. What the heck is this crap?
    Originally posted by Jeff L
    Don't D&T a virgin milsurp rifle. You'll burn in collector hell.

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    • #3
      Captain Cogle
      Member
      • Jun 2010
      • 289

      Im sorry, explain something to me so I may leave my ignorance behind.

      What is the controversy????
      "And away to the hills, to the caves and the rocks. Here I own a usurper I'll couch with the fox. So tremble false whigs in the midst of your glee. For you've not seen the last of my bonnets and me"
      Lyrics from the song "Bonnie Dundee"
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      • #4
        pullnshoot25
        Banned
        • Mar 2007
        • 8068

        Originally posted by Captain Cogle
        Im sorry, explain something to me so I may leave my ignorance behind.

        What is the controversy????
        The controversy started in this thread. To summarize, I said that the unmarked P with serial 39 was a P-25 and the forum admin (7.62x54R) said it was not without the actual marking. Since he didn't like my analysis, he decided to lock my thread and move it to Non Mosin Collecting.

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        • #5
          Captain Cogle
          Member
          • Jun 2010
          • 289

          Seriously? Dude locked you because of that? What a complete arse.

          Im whats called a thread counter when it comes to reenacting authenticity so I can be a butt like that in those regards...

          But denying some one their opinion and locking their thread is not only stupid but clearly shows some one has buried their head in the sand. He thinks you are wrong, Ok, so what? Dont see that as a cause to bully you.

          Any one who knows an ounce of real military history and the production of military firearms will know that they do funky things at arsenals some times. And there is always a gun thats a little different or missing its stampings and such. Who knows the life of a gun and where it gets shipped around in and mixed up with.
          "And away to the hills, to the caves and the rocks. Here I own a usurper I'll couch with the fox. So tremble false whigs in the midst of your glee. For you've not seen the last of my bonnets and me"
          Lyrics from the song "Bonnie Dundee"
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          • #6
            Spiggy
            Calguns Addict
            • Mar 2006
            • 8688

            Originally posted by Captain Cogle
            Seriously? Dude locked you because of that? What a complete arse.

            Im whats called a thread counter when it comes to reenacting authenticity so I can be a butt like that in those regards...

            But denying some one their opinion and locking their thread is not only stupid but clearly shows some one has buried their head in the sand. He thinks you are wrong, Ok, so what? Dont see that as a cause to bully you.

            Any one who knows an ounce of real military history and the production of military firearms will know that they do funky things at arsenals some times. And there is always a gun thats a little different or missing its stampings and such. Who knows the life of a gun and where it gets shipped around in and mixed up with.
            "Stitch Nazi", it's called a "Stitch Nazi"

            "The thread count on your uniform is wrong, therefore you're a freakin' farb!" -Stitch Nazi
            Originally posted by AJAX22
            Anti gun BS...

            Finger print recognition is one more thing that keeps your killamajig from performing its killimafunction

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            • #7
              pullnshoot25
              Banned
              • Mar 2007
              • 8068

              Re: The P-25 is ALIVE!

              Well, just got banned over there. That mod can bite me.

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              • #8
                pullnshoot25
                Banned
                • Mar 2007
                • 8068

                Re: The P-25 is ALIVE!

                Also, that egotistical guy deleted that entire thread, which is where another mod posted that picture of the P-25.
                Last edited by retired; 10-03-2010, 5:13 PM.

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                • #9
                  Captain Cogle
                  Member
                  • Jun 2010
                  • 289

                  Originally posted by Spiggy
                  "Stitch Nazi", it's called a "Stitch Nazi"

                  "The thread count on your uniform is wrong, therefore you're a freakin' farb!" -Stitch Nazi
                  Never mind.
                  Last edited by Captain Cogle; 10-02-2010, 7:44 PM.
                  "And away to the hills, to the caves and the rocks. Here I own a usurper I'll couch with the fox. So tremble false whigs in the midst of your glee. For you've not seen the last of my bonnets and me"
                  Lyrics from the song "Bonnie Dundee"
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                  • #10
                    pullnshoot25
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 8068

                    Re: The P-25 is ALIVE!

                    "Stitch Nazi", it's called a "Stitch Nazi"

                    "The thread count on your uniform is wrong, therefore you're a freakin' farb!" -Stitch Nazi
                    Yeah. I get called a stitch nazi by farbs considering that it is a derogatory term and since you are using it I would presume you fall in with the farb crowd. Think I will research how to use that ignore list thing now.

                    I saw no point in picking a fight with me.

                    Perhaps we have met before?
                    I don't think spiggy was picking a fight with you...

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                    • #11
                      mosinnagantm9130
                      Calguns Addict
                      • May 2009
                      • 8782

                      Originally posted by pullnshoot25
                      Also, that egotistical bastard deleted that entire thread, which is where another mod posted that picture of the P-25.

                      What a douche!
                      I love it. A rifle obviously marked P-25 is not a P-25.

                      I've got the pic saved, I'm half debating posting a thread called "So what's the consensus on P-25's?" with the pic of the P-25 in it.
                      Originally posted by GoodEyeSniper
                      My neighbors think I'm a construction worker named Bruce.

                      Little do they know that's just my stripper outfit and name.
                      Originally posted by ChopperX
                      I am currently cleaning it and I noticed when I squeeze the snake this white paste like substance comes out. What the heck is this crap?
                      Originally posted by Jeff L
                      Don't D&T a virgin milsurp rifle. You'll burn in collector hell.

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                      • #12
                        Spiggy
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Mar 2006
                        • 8688

                        Originally posted by pullnshoot25
                        I don't think spiggy was picking a fight with you...
                        I think I inadvertently found a stitch nazi

                        Sucks they deleted your thread man. So what's next? Open carry at El Indio? I can go for a cheesy brick of goodness
                        Originally posted by AJAX22
                        Anti gun BS...

                        Finger print recognition is one more thing that keeps your killamajig from performing its killimafunction

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                        • #13
                          Flyin Brian
                          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 3395

                          Originally posted by mosinnagantm9130
                          I love it. A rifle obviously marked P-25 is not a P-25.

                          I've got the pic saved, I'm half debating posting a thread called "So what's the consensus on P-25's?" with the pic of the P-25 in it.
                          That's not what the debate was about. The rifle marked P-25 is obviously a P-25. The debate was over calling another rifle (that probably came from the same production as the others) a "P series" but it did NOT have a "P" stamp on the barrel. I'm not taking sides either way but I do think that the mods on 7.62 tried to explain their position in plain English and it's their forum and they have every right to close a thread or move it. If you look in the "non-collecting" area, it's FULL of threads that are locked and moved... that's just how they run THEIR board.

                          Frankly, I agree with pullnshoot in that the unmarked rifle fits into the "P" series, but i think the way he has handled himself over there, and then posting all this crap on here, is rather childish. Just my opinion.
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                          • #14
                            pullnshoot25
                            Banned
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 8068

                            Re: The P-25 is ALIVE!

                            I love it. A rifle obviously marked P-25 is not a P-25.

                            I've got the pic saved, I'm half debating posting a thread called "So what's the consensus
                            That's not what the debate was about. The rifle marked P-25 is obviously a P-25. The debate was over calling another rifle (that probably came from the same production as the others) a "P series" but it did NOT have a "P" stamp on the barrel. I'm not taking sides either way but I do think that the mods on 7.62 tried to explain their position in plain English and it's their forum and they have every right to close a thread or move it. If you look in the "non-collecting" area, it's FULL of threads that are locked and moved... that's just how they run THEIR board.

                            Frankly, I agree with pullnshoot in that the unmarked rifle fits into the "P" series, but i think the way he has handled himself over there, and then posting all this crap on here, is rather childish. Just my opinion.
                            You missed most of what happened. I will be sure to break it down for you when I am not posting from a phone.

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                            • #15
                              Captain Cogle
                              Member
                              • Jun 2010
                              • 289

                              Originally posted by Spiggy
                              I think I inadvertently found a stitch nazi

                              Sucks they deleted your thread man. So what's next? Open carry at El Indio? I can go for a cheesy brick of goodness
                              I deleted my own post. I am the one that typed never mind.

                              But same to same since you are looking for a fight feel free to send me a PM farb.
                              "And away to the hills, to the caves and the rocks. Here I own a usurper I'll couch with the fox. So tremble false whigs in the midst of your glee. For you've not seen the last of my bonnets and me"
                              Lyrics from the song "Bonnie Dundee"
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