How good is the PU scope?

[Noonanda]

Well, according to history, it was good enough for the Russians in the Battle of Stalingrad.

Well to get technical the PU didnt come out till end of 1942, begining of 1943 so majority of the sniper rifles at Stalingrad would have been PE or PEM mounted rifles, Vasily Zaytsev used a PEM side mounted rifle according to the pictures of him supposedly taken during and after the battle.

But yes the PU is a very good scope for engaging man sized targets

[professorhard]

I want to pull a Hathcock and shoot someone right through their PU scope

[Jarhead]

Well, according to history, it was good enough for the Russians in the Battle of Stalingrad.

Doubt there were any 600-800 Yard shots at Stalingrad, PU designed for what we call today a Designated Marksman or a 200-300 Yard Rifle.

[rojocorsa]

Still, that looks badass.

[Noonanda]

Image isnt everything, functionality still should be the driving factor.

Jarhead I have used my PU sniper to engage steel plates out at BBM, the 400/450 target is easy with it, 600 was harder but do-able. Remember the ACOG/RCO is only 4 power as well so that is like saying every marine has a DM rifle because they have an ACOG. The M-91/30 PU is a sniper rifle, the russian doctrine is what is different. But the rifle was as much of a sniper as any other WW2 rifle adapted for optics like the 03A4 or Garand, #4 Mk 1, ETC Hell the US M-1903A4 had a 2.5 power weaver scope, it is more of a DM rifle out of any of them

[Beetle Bailey]

I've used one to make hits on steel at 400 yards - it would be roughly like making head shots at that distance. IIRC Russian sniper training required hits at 700 yards with the sniper Mosin Nagants. So yes, the repro's are fun and you can shoot the heck out of them without worrying about devaluing an original.

[Jarhead]

what I'm saying is " most " WW2 Kills were in the 200-300 yard range.................I would prefer my #4 MK1 plus all you listed ( which I own " all " and shoot w/ reloads ) over the PU of which I also own 6 originals plus PE and PEM Snipers. I have a replica USMC 1952 MC1 that out shoots all ( but she's not WW2 era ). My Model 70 w/ Unertl out shoots all too but she's Vietnam era along w/ my M40 ( both from TBA ).

[Jarhead]

don't get me wrong the PU's are fun shooters as are all snipers but not as accurate as other era rifles. K98 with Zielvier type scopes can out shoot PU's especially the Argentine 1909 w/ Nedinsco's ( Zielvier's ). The M41b out shoots the PU hands down.............if you haven't noticed I love shooting vintage snipers

[Noonanda]

Only problem is swedish neutrality did not let the M-41b get tested out. everything I have heard about the swedish rifles is Accuaracy. Nice thing about the PU when compared to some of the other sniper rifles used during WW2 was it allowed for use of iron sights,(can you use the irons on a #4 with the scope mounted? I thought I read you can but barely) and you still had iron sight (M-1903A4 does not, plus the scope did suck)

Were there Argentine 1909 armed germans going against the russians or other allies, if not it is kind of a moot point. because I will give you hands down both the swiss and swedish rifles are a S$%t-ton more accurate than a PU sniper, but since neither one of those countrys were involved in the fighting they do not count on the battlefield.

what was the German K-98 with the scope mount that was more of a scout scope on the side of the rear sight, that is a DM rifle

[rojocorsa]

The 98K with LSR and Zeiss ZF-39 also allows use of the iron sights, FWIW.

[Jarhead]

never fired the Swiss Snipers, struggling whether to invest in one or a Jap first..............moot point or not the M1909 w/ Nedinsco can out shoot the PU, plus like it or not the PU is at the bottom of the list when it comes to Sniper Accuracy............... now don't get that confused with the PU being a fun shooter and it served distinctly in WW2 as the most produced Sniper Rifle which in the hands of Babushka was deadly in defense of the Motherland. High Turrets on the K98 were a better platform than the PU design, the PE and PEM were better platforms.

[nick]

never fired the Swiss Snipers, struggling whether to invest in one or a Jap first..............moot point or not the M1909 w/ Nedinsco can out shoot the PU, plus like it or not the PU is at the bottom of the list when it comes to Sniper Accuracy............... now don't get that confused with the PU being a fun shooter and it served distinctly in WW2 as the most produced Sniper Rifle which in the hands of Babushka was deadly in defense of the Motherland. High Turrets on the K98 were a better platform than the PU design, the PE and PEM were better platforms.

'Babushka' is the Russian for 'granny'. Just thought I'd point it out

[Jarhead]

the Finn's capture MN and Optics from the Ruskie's and built their M/39SOV, now that is an accurate MN ..............more accurate than Grand Mothers I built a replica with a replica PE

[Noonanda]

the Finn's capture MN and Optics from the Ruskie's and built their M/39SOV, now that is an accurate MN ..............more accurate than Grand Mothers I built a replica with a replica PE

im thinking about doing this with one of my M-28/76's

[knucklehead0202]

well, they're period-correct, but about like taking the lenses out of grandpa's glasses and gluing them on each end of a toilet-paper tube. that's PU scopes for ya.