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  • Datamancer
    In Memoriam
    • May 2010
    • 615

    Got a mosin and a set of calipers?

    Hey folks, I was hoping you could help me out. I know the engineering tolerances on some wartime Mosins are "loose" at best, so I'm trying to get a nice collection of data so I can better plan out the 10 round mosin mags. If you could take a quick measurement of each of the 3 stepped sections of the magazine for me, I'd greatly appreciate it. I guess while you're at it, mention the year, model and arsenal and maybe we'll see some patterns develop!




    Thanks!

    -~Doc~-
    WTB- hopelessly Bubba'ed cheap rifles for artful re-Bubbafication.
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    Datamancer
    In Memoriam
    • May 2010
    • 615

    Guess I'll get the ball rolling...

    In the pic is:

    1942 91/30 Izhevsk

    Small section- .362
    Medium section- .510
    Large section- .585
    Last edited by Datamancer; 09-24-2010, 2:32 AM.
    WTB- hopelessly Bubba'ed cheap rifles for artful re-Bubbafication.

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    • #3
      MongooseV8
      Veteran Member
      • Apr 2010
      • 4426

      1944 Finnish M39-Antique Receiver-Sako Factory

      Small 0.3625"
      Medium 0.5165"
      Large 0.572"
      Last edited by MongooseV8; 09-26-2010, 11:53 AM.

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      • #4
        Fot
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 1611

        I'll post mine tonight
        Originally posted by FastFinger
        We are a dynamic community that reflects society at large. If there is a trait that distinguishes us it is that we're protectors of the the infirm, the elderly, and defenseless women (often sorority sisters who like beer & pillow fights). That means that at some point we may be called on to do battle with zombies. That is nothing to be ashamed of. .

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        • #5
          Palimino Stripe
          Senior Member
          • May 2009
          • 658

          Do bear in mind that the magazine is hardly original to the barreled receiver. During the refurb process parts were completely mixed up. That being said you will get a lot of war-time manufactured pieces, but you will also get pre-1940 made ones a lot of the time as well. But I guess in theory the data will nonetheless show fluctuations...

          -Palimino
          http://www.freedomainradio.com/

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          • #6
            Reductio
            Senior Member
            • May 2010
            • 1923

            I know it's not wartime, but data is data, and I'm interested...

            1952 Hungarian M44

            Small section- .337 (All the way to the back, there's a step right around the pivot that's .315)
            Medium section- .492
            Large section- .574
            Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
            Ah, the old "form over function" argument. I guess some people would rather be seen with a hot blonde who won't put out than with a "Neil 8" who will make you .

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            • #7
              rromeo
              Calguns Addict
              • Sep 2009
              • 6981

              1917 Remington
              Small section : .362-368
              Medium section: .502-510
              Large section: .581
              Never initiate force against another. That should be the underlying principle of your life. But should someone do violence to you, retaliate without hesitation, without reservation, without quarter, until you are sure that he will never wish to harm - or never be capable of harming - you or yours again.

              - from THE SECOND BOOK OF KYFHO
              (Revised Eastern Sect Edition)

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              • #8
                Datamancer
                In Memoriam
                • May 2010
                • 615

                Originally posted by Reductio
                I know it's not wartime, but data is data, and I'm interested...

                1952 Hungarian M44

                Small section- .337 (All the way to the back, there's a step right around the pivot that's .315)
                Medium section- .492
                Large section- .574
                Thanks! All years and makes are welcome, not just wartime.

                -~D~-
                WTB- hopelessly Bubba'ed cheap rifles for artful re-Bubbafication.

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                • #9
                  mosinnagantm9130
                  Calguns Addict
                  • May 2009
                  • 8782

                  I don't think there will be any correlation to the year on the barrel shank, however, using the markings on the magazine we might get a pattern based on that timeframe. I'll get some of mine posted up in a bit.
                  Originally posted by GoodEyeSniper
                  My neighbors think I'm a construction worker named Bruce.

                  Little do they know that's just my stripper outfit and name.
                  Originally posted by ChopperX
                  I am currently cleaning it and I noticed when I squeeze the snake this white paste like substance comes out. What the heck is this crap?
                  Originally posted by Jeff L
                  Don't D&T a virgin milsurp rifle. You'll burn in collector hell.

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                  • #10
                    Vlad 11
                    Veteran Member
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 2961

                    Interesting. The widths fluctuate quite a bit. These are measured at each transition (there are actually four 'sections' , the foremost being where the hinge-clasp goes)

                    Rough Wartime Izhevsk - mixmaster Tula 91/30
                    .368 - .373
                    .514 - .500
                    .590

                    Added on Edit:
                    (includes clasp section)

                    VKT M39 - 1898 SESTRORYETSK RECEIVER AND MAGAZINE
                    .330
                    .362
                    .504
                    .582

                    POLISH M44
                    .3235
                    .366
                    .516
                    .581

                    ROMANIAN M44
                    .3235
                    .358
                    .505
                    .585

                    IZHEVSK M44
                    .324
                    .3645
                    .505
                    .584

                    IZHEVSK Mag Refurb - Tula mixmaster exdragoon
                    .323
                    .361
                    .506
                    .580

                    IZHEVSK Mag Refurb - M38
                    .309
                    .3665
                    .517
                    .585

                    IZHEVSK Mag Refurb - 91/59
                    .323
                    .360
                    .490
                    .586

                    IZHEVSK Mag Refurb - M44
                    .3185
                    .354
                    .504
                    .5865
                    Last edited by Vlad 11; 09-27-2010, 12:24 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Datamancer
                      In Memoriam
                      • May 2010
                      • 615

                      Originally posted by Vlad 11
                      Interesting. The widths fluctuate quite a bit. These are measured at each transition (there are actually four 'sections' , the foremost being where the hinge-clasp goes)

                      Rough Wartime Izhevsk
                      .368 - .373
                      .514 - .500
                      .590

                      (more to be edited in when i can dig them out)
                      I wasn't too concerned with the front section because that's just for the hook, which can have a slight bit of wiggle to it. If you all feel like posting that measurement too, though, I'll take it. I'm mostly concerned with the inside width of the mags so I can size the follower. There's always a margin of error in manufacturing but if I can establish the mean, or middle, measurement, I can aim my own sizing right in the middle, too. Even so, something tells me to make this a viable commercial product, I'm still going to need to separate the batch into sm-med-lg parts based on the engineering/metal stamping tolerances and let people know that they might have to return them to me once or twice before we get one that perfectly matches their Mosin.

                      -~D~-
                      WTB- hopelessly Bubba'ed cheap rifles for artful re-Bubbafication.

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                      • #12
                        pullnshoot25
                        Banned
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 8068

                        Re: Got a mosin and a set of calipers?

                        Bplvr, this is right up your alley!

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                        • #13
                          SixPointEight
                          Veteran Member
                          • May 2009
                          • 3788

                          I'll post measurements if I can figure out how to zero my caliper to measure that direction lol

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                          • #14
                            flying2275
                            Member
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 268

                            Here's a random few I pulled for you. I can't wait till you can start selling these.

                            M39 1942 Finn "B" barrel. Remington marked magazine.
                            Small .368
                            Medium .514
                            Large .579

                            M91 1915 Izhevsk.
                            .359
                            .494
                            .586

                            M44 Chinese T53 1955
                            .362
                            .501
                            .585

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                            • #15
                              bplvr
                              Senior Member
                              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                              • Jun 2008
                              • 3946

                              M44 Izzy 1946

                              front section ,1" long .350-.358
                              mid section ,1" long .500
                              minor rear section .512
                              utmost rear small section .600
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