arrgggghh!! i HATE kalifornia

[ledman]

Technical note: The Yugo 59/66 is still a C&R firearm. CA just requires guns younger than 50 years old to go through a 01 FFL. CA law can't make a gun not C&R, it can just limit what privileges of your C&R license you can exercise.

It sounds like a stupid distinction, but I always point it out for 2 reasons: (1) if you got one of these guns from a 01 FFL, you still need to put it in your bound book. (2) Since the only thing CA's 50+ year old rule does is keeping you from having them mailed to your house, you can still pick one up out of state and bring it back.

I've seen guys get in trouble for not putting a young C&R gun in their bound book because they thought it "wasn't C&R in CA"...

I thought you only have to log what you actually purchase using your C&R? It may be a C&R weapon, but I understand if you do not use your C&R to purchase it, why do you have to log it?

Do you have any reference from the law that states you must log any C&R weapon purchase, no matter how you acquire it? I bought a SKS that is C&R, I bought it from a 01 dealer inside of CA, waited my 10 days. I did not log it, as I did not use my C&R license to purchase it. I bought it like any other person would. I see no reason to log it. I want to know if this is the case, as I will have to make a few corrections in my bound book. Thanks.

[jigenax]

Rude because this is HIS thread, not yours, you have nothing nice to say, just move along. You obviously are just trolling for a negative response from the OP. You are probably are the same guy who goes into the FS section to tell the sellers their prices are to high. Thread crapping/trolling, whatever you want to call it, but rude fits just fine. Your post contributed absolutely nothing.

I love California, but I cannot move to another state now because of my family situation. It's just not as easy as you say to just move. I have a C&R license also, and would love to be able to purchase so many different weapons with it that I could legally do in other states, but good old California and it's inept gun laws prohibit me and other from doing so. It sucks.

Well said and Semper Fi!

Ken
USMCR '85-'93
0331-32
2/23, 3rd MarDiv
Pt. Hueneme, Camp Pen and Camp Hansen, Okinawa

[SJgunguy24]

I thought you only have to log what you actually purchase using your C&R? It may be a C&R weapon, but I understand if you do not use your C&R to purchase it, why do you have to log it?

Do you have any reference from the law that states you must log any C&R weapon purchase, no matter how you acquire it? I bought a SKS that is C&R, I bought it from a 01 dealer inside of CA, waited my 10 days. I did not log it, as I did not use my C&R license to purchase it. I bought it like any other person would. I see no reason to log it. I want to know if this is the case, as I will have to make a few corrections in my bound book. Thanks.

You don't "use your C&R license" . You are licensed as a collector and anything aquired that is a C&R must be entered into your bound book. The same as an 01 FFL has to enter anything for his personal collection then DROS it to himself and take it off the FFL book.
Read through the white book that you got with your FFL packet.

[SJgunguy24]

Technical note: The Yugo 59/66 is still a C&R firearm. CA just requires guns younger than 50 years old to go through a 01 FFL. CA law can't make a gun not C&R, it can just limit what privileges of your C&R license you can exercise.

It sounds like a stupid distinction, but I always point it out for 2 reasons: (1) if you got one of these guns from a 01 FFL, you still need to put it in your bound book. (2) Since the only thing CA's 50+ year old rule does is keeping you from having them mailed to your house, you can still pick one up out of state and bring it back.

I've seen guys get in trouble for not putting a young C&R gun in their bound book because they thought it "wasn't C&R in CA"...

Thats why I stated CA law. If a person is a C&R holder, hey should have read through and fully understand what they are getting themselves into. CA law and Federal law are 2 completly different things. AW is a state law, AW's mean nothing in the Federal sense.

[ledman]

You don't "use your C&R license" . You are licensed as a collector and anything aquired that is a C&R must be entered into your bound book. The same as an 01 FFL has to enter anything for his personal collection then DROS it to himself and take it off the FFL book.
Read through the white book that you got with your FFL packet.

OK, I will do that, thanks.

[Cokebottle]

I thought you only have to log what you actually purchase using your C&R? It may be a C&R weapon, but I understand if you do not use your C&R to purchase it, why do you have to log it?

Think of it this way.

You don't USE the 03.... you ARE the 03, therefore, any weapon that falls under the 03 rules needs to go into the book.

You don't have to log pre-existing guns in your collection until disposal/sale.

[stitchnicklas]

are all sks's banned from coming in out of state or what??? i am going to Missouri for 10days and have a opportunity to buy 2 for 300 bucks that mi8ght be c&rs,going to do some c&r trolling at the locals shops,and ....yes...go to midway usa to see if i can nab some factory 10rd pmags while there,i will buy many as i can if i find them,reselling 10rd pmags for 14 buck a pop would be great karma...hehe..if i can find them..

[Cokebottle]

are all sks's banned from coming in out of state or what???

Fixed magazine SKS is good to go.
The SKS models that use the AK47 magazines are banned.

[stitchnicklas]

i don't know anything about the sks's yet it will be a week or so,and fixed box mags only are allowed ,so i am aware ..thanks

[knucklehead0202]

my pro-gun wife is finishing her masters degree in special ed. around February and when that is done we will be looking at either arizona or Missouri,she can teach anywhere and i am a crane operator certified everywhere.....i just want freedom from gun laws that suck and a enjoyable lifestyle area

yeah that cardenas guy sure makes an a-hole out of himself. got a funny for ya though, if your wife is gonna be teaching special-ed, i don't think anyplace needs that more than California. all kidding aside though, good luck, i'm trying to work out the same thing before my kids are old enough to go to school. this state is an intelligence vacuum.

[bigstick61]

Both guns need to be transferred through an 01 FFL in CA. The Yugo 59/66 is not a C&R per CA law. CA requires the gun be 50+ years. Since Zestava was bombed and their records were lost there is no way to be 100% sure that any 59/66 is over 50 years old.

There is actually a list online of serial numbers and the years in which the guns in various serial number ranges were manufactured.

[stitchnicklas]

ya she has her schooling done,she just needs to do the student teaching for credential part. cali needs her bad but won't treat her right or the students that need her too right...

[bigstick61]

The Yugo SKS have the grenade launcher option on them, making them illegal.

The AKs should require an 01 FFL

If you remove the GL there is nothing illegal about it. The GL is the prohibited item, not the gun. If the GL is removed and not brought into the state or it is demilled there is no issue with the M59/66 Yugo SKS.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

...The Yugo 59/66 is not a C&R per CA law. CA requires the gun be 50+ years.

As was already mentioned, this is 100% wrong. The Yugo M59/66 is C&R in California. California does not require a gun to be 50+ years old to be considered C&R. Every single firearm that the Feds consider to be C&R is also C&R in California.

Do you have any reference from the law that states you must log any C&R weapon purchase, no matter how you acquire it? I bought a SKS that is C&R, I bought it from a 01 dealer inside of CA, waited my 10 days. I did not log it, as I did not use my C&R license to purchase it. I bought it like any other person would. I see no reason to log it. I want to know if this is the case, as I will have to make a few corrections in my bound book. Thanks

The requirement that you log all C&R firearms acquisitions is in Sectioin 478.125. Just because California law requires you to transfer many C&R firearms through a California licensed dealer, it doesn't negate the fact that the firearm is still C&R and that you are a licensed collector.

(f) Firearms receipt and disposition by licensed collectors. Each licensed collector shall enter into a record each receipt and disposition of firearms curios or relics.

[SJgunguy24]

As was already mentioned, this is 100% wrong. The Yugo M59/66 is C&R in California. California does not require a gun to be 50+ years old to be considered C&R. Every single firearm that the Feds consider to be C&R is also C&R in California.



The requirement that you log all C&R firearms acquisitions is in Sectioin 478.125. Just because California law requires you to transfer many C&R firearms through a California licensed dealer, it doesn't negate the fact that the firearm is still C&R and that you are a licensed collector.

Ok I stand corrected, kinda. The Zestava 59/66 is C&R. I had that confused with the 50+ rule for doing transfers without the use of an FFL.