Do mail order C&R pistols count towards the 30 day rule?

[ROTC sniper]

I wanted to buy a couple of tokarev t33s online with my c&r license and was wondering if they count towards the one per 30 day rule. I'm already back logged and have a number of new pistols just waiting for me to begin the DROS period but was hoping that when I order stuff online it wouldn't count. Thanks guys.

[littlejake]

I wanted to buy a couple of tokarev t33s online with my c&r license and was wondering if they count towards the one per 30 day rule. I'm already back logged and have a number of new pistols just waiting for me to begin the DROS period but was hoping that when I order stuff online it wouldn't count. Thanks guys.

IIRC -- C&R pistols do not count in the 1 in 30 days. Remember, the transfer from the online source through a CA dealer for DROS is called an FFL transfer; and they may charge you what ever process fee they wish; so line up a good dealer to receive them in advance.

If you had your C&R plus COE, you wouldn't have a queue of handguns waiting to DROS. As it stands now, that combination is an exemption from 1 in 30 even for new handguns.

A dealer would have to file a multiple handgun transfer form with BATF if you DROS more than one in 7 (I think 7, might be 5) days. That's just ATF looking for people acting like dealers. As long as they are not coming in and going out like a dealer, it's not a problem.

[TWoods450]

I believe the 30 day rule is for NEW handguns only.

[savasyn]

Unless you have a C&R and COE, any handgun that you get at a CA dealer counts towards the 1 in 30 rule.

If you have a C&R handgun sent to a local shop, you DROS it just like any other handgun, there is nothing special about it being a C&R in that case. You will also have to log it into your bound book like any other C&R. You'll log it in as purchased from your local FFL, not whomever you had ship it to them as it'll be logged into and out of your local FFL.

If you have a C&R and COE, you still have to do all of that except that you can take it home with you after you DROS (you don't have to wait 10 days) and you can buy multiple handguns per month(modern or C&R) as long as all of them are DROS'd under the "collector" exemption. There is another exemption that also works, but the collector one has gotten me through many DROSes regardless of age of the gun.

Edit to add: Here's a quote from the CA DOJ FAQ on this(underlining added by me):

"I am a collector of firearms and I want to purchase a pair of consecutively-numbered pistols. Does the one-handgun-per-30-day restriction apply?

No. If you possess a valid federal Curio Relics Collector's license and a valid California Certificate of Eligibility, you are exempt from the one-handgun-per-30-day restriction.

(PC section 12072(a)(9)(x))"

[ke6guj]

IIRC -- C&R pistols do not count in the 1 in 30 days. .

the 1-in-30 rule applies to all handgun transfers, except for those few exemptions, such as PPT/cosignment. C&R status is not an exemption.

I believe the 30 day rule is for NEW handguns only.

the 30-day rule applies to both all NEW and USED handgun transfers, except for those exempt transfers such as PPT/Cosignment/C&R+COE/etc.

[ROTC sniper]

So in this instance I want to buy the pistols from southern Ohio gun. I would still have to send them to a local FFL even though I have my c&r? I couldn't have them sent to me directly? Is it only long guns that they can send to us directly? Thanks guys for all the info. Lois like my next step is getting my COE.

[dfletcher]

I think the easy way to remember the "1 per 30" is this - if it comes from the dealer's stock of firearms, whether used or new, it counts.

When a handgun is transferred from out of state it enters the dealer stock - that's how the roster gets involved with handguns coming in from out of state. C & Rs and SA revolvers, single shot pistols are exempt from the roster but they do still enter the dealer's stock.

[858casper858]

You will also have to log it into your bound book like any other C&R.

But if the gun is DROS'ed then why do you need to log it in your book? I thought the book was for logging C&R eligible firearms being transfered without a dealer.

[ke6guj]

So in this instance I want to buy the pistols from southern Ohio gun. I would still have to send them to a local FFL even though I have my c&r? I couldn't have them sent to me directly?

correct. All handguns, including C&R, have to go through a CA FFL, with limited exemptions. Having a C&R FFL is not an exemption unless you physically go out of state to take possession of the C&R handgun and then bring it back into CA with you (and then register it with CADOJ within 5-days).

Is it only long guns that they can send to us directly? Thanks guys for all the info. Lois like my next step is getting my COE.

correct. They can send any 50+ year-old C&R long guns directly to you. Any <50-year-old C&Rs, such as a Yugo "SKS", would still need to go through a CA dealer to be DROSed to you.

[ke6guj]

But if the gun is DROS'ed then why do you need to log it in your book? I thought the book was for logging C&R eligible firearms being transfered without a dealer.

Because federal law says that you must log all acquistions of C&R firearms that happen WHILE you are licensed. YOu don't USE your license, you ARE licensed.

[858casper858]

Because federal law says that you must log all acquistions of C&R firearms that happen WHILE you are licensed. YOu don't USE your license, you ARE licensed.

I'm still new to this, so if I'm licensed and I buy a mosin at Big5 and do the DROS and wait ten days, I still have to log it in my book?

[ke6guj]

I'm still new to this, so if I'm licensed and I buy a mosin at Big5 and do the DROS and wait ten days, I still have to log it in my book?

Yes.

[858casper858]

Ok cool, thanks Ke6guj!

[TWoods450]

the 1-in-30 rule applies to all handgun transfers, except for those few exemptions, such as PPT/cosignment. C&R status is not an exemption.

the 30-day rule applies to both all NEW and USED handgun transfers, except for those exempt transfers such as PPT/Cosignment/C&R+COE/etc.

I stand corrected, wyatt, you are an oak.

[M. D. Van Norman]

Having a C&R FFL is not an exemption unless you physically go out of state to take possession of the C&R handgun and then bring it back into CA with you (and then register it with CADOJ within 5-days).