C&R Sales In California?

[Mssr. Eleganté]

It is interesting the number of out of state dealers who want a COE to sell a long gun to Clifornios with a C&R.

Have you run into that problem?

The only out of state Dealer I ever ran into who thought a COE was required was Randall Bessler at the Big Reno Show.

None of the big out of state C&R distributors care about the COE and most of the smaller ones have never heard of a COE.

[maxicon]

The rifle must meet the prk definition: at least 50 years old.

ATF-defined C&R guns <50 years old have to transfer to the buyer through an -01 licensee.

To expand on this a bit more, this is an intersection of the federal and state laws, and you always have to be aware of that in out of state transactions.

In order to be legal under federal laws, a resident of one state selling to a resident of another state has to sell it through an FFL (or to an FFL). With guns that are defined as C&R under federal law, it's legal for a non-FFL to send to a C&R FFL in another state.

In order to be be legally transferred without a 10 day wait under California laws, the long gun has to be over 50 years old. C&R license or federal C&R status don't matter here, just that it be over 50 years old.

This specific transfer is legal under both federal and California laws. A C&R handgun transfer to a C&R licensee, for example, is legal under federal laws, but in California, all handguns have to go through a dealer and 10 day wait, so you can't legally transfer a C&R handgun the same way.

Sounds complicated, but it's really not so bad. You just have to figure out if it's legal under both sets of laws.

[Fate]

Can a non-licensee from outside California ship a C&R rifle to a California resident who is a C&R holder?

I think yes, but can someone else confirm?

Yes. You are correct.

[G-Man WC]

Amend and Max thanks for the reply. No, I have never had any trouble as I've never attempted to sell anything. I collected C&R years ago and I'm sad to say they ( or I ) don't seem get the range time a sane person requires. I was only looking for a quick response, as laws seem to change often in our state. This is for reference if and when I deceide that i need to consolidate of coarse. I lurked here for a few years and on a few other boards relating to C&R and levers. Thanks again. -g

[MFortie]

So the Fed C&R rules are superseded by the state rules. However IIRC having a C&R allows me to buy a Fed listed C&R out of state (physically) and bring it home?

Of course I would have to comply with the state reporting requirements for handguns. Correct?

(I've only had my C&R for about a month and have only used it for Brownells & Midway discounts so far...)

Thanks,

Mark

EDIT: Almost forgot, what is required to obtain a COE?

[jmlivingston]

So the Fed C&R rules are superseded by the state rules.

It's not so much that the Fed rules are superceded by the state, otherwise the state could reverse the Fed. It's really cumulative, the transaction has to meet rule set "A" and rule set "B".

Of course I would have to comply with the state reporting requirements for handguns. Correct?

Yup, just fill out the form and pay the fee.

John

[EOD Guy]

Here is a short summary I wrote on California C&R regulations. References are to the California Penal Code.

[Richie Rich]

This may be a dumb question but.

If I have my C&R license and purchase a handgun (on federal C&R list) then I can legally transport it back into the state, bypassing the safe handgun list?

If that is the case, I gotta get a C&R. Lotsa old toys out there that I want.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

If I have my C&R license and purchase a handgun (on federal C&R list) then I can legally transport it back into the state, bypassing the safe handgun list?

Yes, you can do this if you have a C&R FFL. The handguns don't have to be on the Federal C&R list, they just have to be C&R. That means they can either be on the list or they can just be over 50 years old.

But C&R handguns of all ages are exempt from California's safe handgun list. So you can have your local FFL Dealer bring them in for you from out of state. You don't need to get a C&R FFL yourself.

[Richie Rich]

Cool, I did not know that.

Just always assumed that they were forbidden fruit to have imported.

[Sailormilan2]

Have you run into that problem?

The only out of state Dealer I ever ran into who thought a COE was required was Randall Bessler at the Big Reno Show.

None of the big out of state C&R distributors care about the COE and most of the smaller ones have never heard of a COE.

Yes, I have run into that problem several times, especially using GunBroker and AuctionArms. I have also run into a problem of FFL -01s not want to sell anything to a FFL -03 C&R. I attempted, on more than one occasion, to purchase a C&R rifle, and was told by the seller that his gun dealer or he himself would not honor a C&R license.

[csarel]

So if I buy a C&R pistol online or otherwise, and it is definatley a C&R, do I have to register it with the state? ( Unlike C&R rifles) Or just log it in my bound book? If so, can someone qoute the Code?

Thanks!

[Pthfndr]

So if I buy a C&R pistol online or otherwise, and it is definatley a C&R, do I have to register it with the state? ( Unlike C&R rifles) Or just log it in my bound book? If so, can someone qoute the Code?

Thanks!

First, ALL handguns must be registered with the state. No exemption for C&R. Second, you still have to log it into your bound book.
Third, if you buy it online and have it shipped into CA, it's supposed to go through an 01 FFL, where the DROS is done and you wait 10 days. (unless you have a COE also).

You only by pass the DROS and 01 FFL if YOU PERSONALLY take delivery outside CA.

EOD Guy quoted the PC section above.

[csarel]

Yes, as I noted I know I have to place it in my bound book.
Seems grey(not ca law) as the ship to a 01 insted of a 03 as some dealers will ship to an 01. What a hassle. Thanks CA!

I suppose I can fill out the voulantary handgun form.

[five.five-six]

ok so can I take my 03 to turners an cash and carry a C&R long gun

also if I want to sell a C&R rifle to my neibgor and he does not have a drivers licence can i accept a matricula consular card