C&R vs sporterized

[PanchoVilla]

I had a question. I read something that sounded like if you have a C&R long gun and then you sporterize it, ie new laminate stock on a 91/30 or something, then its not a C&R anymore. Is that correct?

If so, can't you just keep the old stock and re-assemble in original configuration if you ever wanted to transfer it? I plan to keep my mosin in original shape, but there are some pretty cheap parts around for it too.

[AngryPossum]

As long as it can be returned to original condition then when you go to sell it (in it's original condition) then you're ok. If you were to put a tapco stock on you're russian sks...it's no longer C & R or cash and carry. If you put the original back on...wah la!!! back to original status. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong.

[Argonaut]

I believe that you are not correct. Modifications do not change the status of a gun (as long as it is legal) that was made over 50 years ago. I have sporterized m1891 Mauser's that can still be sold as pre 1898 antiques even though they have new barrels, stocks etc.

[AngryPossum]

the mods have to be within the original scope of the rifle. Things like new barrells dont change that. If you put a synthetic stock on a SKS that was C & R before...it no longer retains that status in it's current state. Therefore would have to go through an FFL if transferred. In order to be ppt cash and carry the original stock would have to be put back on. Same thing goes with a mosin 91/30. If you put a fiberglass or any other type of synthetic stock it losses it's C & R status untill returned to an original state.

[Argonaut]

In our system the serial numbered reciver is the gun........everything else is just parts.

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

I believe that you are not correct. Modifications do not change the status of a gun (as long as it is legal) that was made over 50 years ago. I have sporterized m1891 Mauser's that can still be sold as pre 1898 antiques even though they have new barrels, stocks etc.

Modifications remove the C&R status from rifles but the ATF has yet to bother with going after people for it. I imagine they have bigger fish to fry than people selling sporterized Mausers.

[AngryPossum]

His question was in regards to "transferring" the rifle. In California a long gun 50 years or older that is not banned or on the assault weapons list can be transferred via PPT between two individuals of sound mind and no criminal backround which would prevent them from owning a gun without an FFL. When that long gun is modified to the point where it is no longer in an original state within the scope of that rifle it loses it's C & R status.

This has been gone over time and time again on this site I'm just to lazy to look up and site it. By the end of the night I'm sure one of the more seasoned C & R collectors like Dr. Peter Venkman or milsurp collecter would confirm most of what I'm saying. They normally can site the law to clarify this which is more work then I'm willing to do right now just getting off a 10 hour shift.

[AngryPossum]

Modifications remove the C&R status from rifles but the ATF has yet to bother with going after people for it. I imagine they have bigger fish to fry than people selling sporterized Mausers.

LoL. Wow that was a lot sooner then I expected. You got on before I could post...

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

LoL. Wow that was a lot sooner then I expected. You got on before I could post...

Haha.

Just to be clear, only the Feds make up the definition of Curio & Relics.

For further clarification:

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios/1972-2007/faq.pdf

a firearm must be in its original condition to be considered a C&R weapon."