M1 Carbine vs Modern AR

[Sailormilan2]

Personally, I prefer the M1 Carbine. Shorter,lighter, and designed as a PDW. At ranges under 300 yds(preferably under 200) I feel the 30 Carbine is somewhat superior.
The .223Rem/5.56NATO pretty much depends on velocity to do its work for it. Once you get to the newer heavier bullets(and shorter barrels), the velocity drops enough to really affect the effectiveness. As evidence by complaints about M4 Carbine's effectiveness.
The M1 Carbine has a larger diameter heavier bullet, traveling slower. This makes it somewhat akin to the great 9mm v. 45 acp debate.
Where the 30 Carbine would definately be better would be indoors. Smaller cartridge with less powder would have smaller sound signiture(less noise) and easier on the ears than the larger case, bigger powder capicity of the .223 Rem/5.56mm.
The 30 Carbine is roughly a 357 Magnum class cartridge. A 357 Magnum is about 95% effective 1 shot stops(125 gr JHP bullet). Put a hollow point bullet on the 30 carbine, and you vastly increase its effectiveness. Even upgrading to a simpler Soft Point(JSP) helps.
Biggest problem with the 30 Carbine is the lack of cheap/inexpensive ammo, and most of what is out there is FMJ bullets.

[smle-man]

You all forgot one thing.

M1 = FTF, no paperwork.

With just iron sights, is an AR really all that much accurate?

Yes it is. The AR dominates at Camp Perry. If it didn't the competitors would be using M1 carbines.

[luckystrike]

i think you lose this one. but its ok, we all lose a few internet meaningless battles. no hard feelings, im just bored.

nah I win, never herd a sailor or a soldier refer their rank to a lance corporal.

[Brianguy]

nah I win, never herd a sailor or a soldier refer their rank to a lance corporal.

but E-4 is Corporal in the Corps
It's just the pay grade

[sickboy774]

If it's good enough for Malcolm then it's good enough for me!

[1mean76]

try a m2 you will forget about the word AR

[slagusmc]

My girlfriend loves shooting my M1 carbine but she doesnt like my m-4s...the best gun is one you shoot so for her the m1 carbine wins. That may be because she plays COD World at War...when Modern Warfare comes out she may switch to the M4, but until then she loves my M1 carbine...lol

[bomb_on_bus]

try a m2 you will forget about the word AR

depends on what M2 you are talking about.

M2 carbine, or M2 .50cal.

Im assuming the carbine.

The carbine is fun and so is the AR but then again to each his own.

[Mike A]

I had always heard that the M2 version was both inaccurate and unreliable in full automatic fire. But on my drive across the US with my older bro, a VN-vet with 32 years in the USA, plus many years as a civilian employee of alphabet agencies, we had a chance to talk about a lot of things including his three tours in VN. In the first tour he was issued an M2, had reason to use it, and found it controllable, accurate enough for jungle and paddy, and a killer. Next tour, he carried a Browning Hi-Power and a Swedish K, doesn't talk about that. Third tour he carried a CAR-15 and spend much of his spare time and a lot of the rest of his time cleaning it. It too worked when it needed to, but at jungle distances, he preferred the M2. Just one guy's opinion, but I tend to give it some weight. (He's as much of a gun nut as I am, but his favorite is the Ma Deuce.)

[Cali-Shooter]

I own a Inland '43 M1 carbine. Absolutely wonderful little gun. I use it as my PDW. Mine has an M2 carbine stock, so it is slightly heavier than ones that have regular m1 stocks. My philosophy in having an M1 is that in the event of SHTF and I have to patrol my neighborhood to protect family and friends, I don't need to carry a pistol, since the carbine was designed to increase the firepower of ppl who carried handguns in WW2.

[harpman1]

It has seemed to me that the M1 Carbine is an excellent homeowners gun for several reasons.
The round is powerful, yet easily manageable for even a person of very slight build.
Effective at any range from which a homeowner or tenant may possibly be threatened.
Very simple to operate.
Semi-auto; reliable; not finicky or gadgety.
Powerful enough to neutralize man or animal "on the street where you live".
I think it is a weapon that deserves a critical second look.
Having half a dozen Dads on the block that are prepared to show the dealers and scumbags how one works, would go a long way to improving the lives of everyone in the town.

As you can tell, I have a lot of respect for the M1 Carbine.
I believe it has earned it.

[campperrykid]

What he said.
Especially with the stupid laws that good people in California need to work around. The good guys' gun mystique of the M1 Carbine doesn't hurt either.
Arsenal of democracy , Band of Brothers , YKWIM.

[Cali-Shooter]

It has seemed to me that the M1 Carbine is an excellent homeowners gun for several reasons.
The round is powerful, yet easily manageable for even a person of very slight build.
Effective at any range from which a homeowner or tenant may possibly be threatened.
Very simple to operate.
Semi-auto; reliable; not finicky or gadgety.
Powerful enough to neutralize man or animal "on the street where you live".
I think it is a weapon that deserves a critical second look.
Having half a dozen Dads on the block that are prepared to show the dealers and scumbags how one works, would go a long way to improving the lives of everyone in the town.

As you can tell, I have a lot of respect for the M1 Carbine.
I believe it has earned it.

+1

What he said.
Especially with the stupid laws that good people in California need to work around. The good guys' gun mystique of the M1 Carbine doesn't hurt either.
Arsenal of democracy , Band of Brothers , YKWIM.

Amen. What I love about the M1 carbine, is that in it's stock configuration, it works perfectly well. The sights don't need replacement and work wonderfully, and it comes with a sling system (some also come with the sling and oiler upon purchase), and lastly, for residents of 'ban' states such as the PRK, the m1 carbine is one of the few reliable and effective semi-auto rifles that we can have w/o preposterous modifications having to be made to it for 'compliance.'

[Milsurp Collector]

Article praising the M1 Carbine for law enforcement and home defense http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...7/ai_74033105/

[Asphodel]

Well, I'm not a 'gunfighter' and never will be.....I have to admit that I just 'don't have what it takes'......whatever that may be.....

Alright.....that said.....if the gunfight came to me and I just couldn't get out of it, I'd far rather have the M1 carbine and a few mags of rounds for it, than the AR15 class rifle.

I'm not disagreeing that the 5.56 is more accurate at longer ranges.....but if the enemy is that far away, I'm going to be doing my best to scuttle, crawl, creep, or whatever, away un-noticed, or at the very least, trying to hide effectively behind anything which is at least concealment, if not real cover.

I suppose I have the civilian 'bad attitude' about gunfights, which is that the best way to deal with the potential of one is to get away from it, if at all possible.

That said, it only makes sense to train and prepare, hoping that the 'Murphy's Law' will prevail.....if you are prepared for the worst, then it won't happen, if you are unprepared, it will.

One very real advantage of the M1 carbine, in my opinion, is the ease with which it can be pointed and fired very quickly and fairly accurately, at close range, with only one hand, using it as a pistol.

In a 'worst case' situation, you may only have the use of one hand, so being able to point and fire the carbine very quickly with reasonable short-range accuracy with your 'weak hand', and from any inconvenient position, such as crouching behind a wall, or having fallen into brush and trying to recover your balance, could make all the difference.

Of course, my only actual experience with the carbine has been training exercises......for all I know, being a typical civilian 'peace creep', if I ever had to face a real enemy, I'd probably panic and 'freeze'....... : (

cheers

Carla