Enfield query

[echo1]

Howdy Gunners,

I've got a #4 MK1 sport job that can be salvaged, as the metal bits are undisturbed. The forearm is cut ahead of the band about 2 inches, and the HG is cut under the band. I've not messed with this platform before, although I've had 2 for a long time. My question is the upper HG one piece (looks like 2) or 2 and is the nose cap the same as #I? I have #I furniture and some hardware, but I know the HG is slotted for the ladder sight. One of you gents gave me a sanded stock set a while back (thanks again), but 20 projects jumped in front this functioning main battle rifle, now I can tackle it. Thanks, PAX

[MajorSideburns]

So I think I know what you are asking and not to be pedantic but the No. 4 rifle and the No. 1 rifle are two different designs. The Mark series should be thought of like generations within that design. So if you have a No. 4 Mk. 1 rifle, it is like the first generation version of the No. 4 and the No. 1 Mk. 3 is the 3rd generation of the No. 1.

This is the No. 1 Mk. 3:



This is the No. 4 Mk. 1:



Some parts are interchangeable but the nosecap is not one of them. As you can see the No. 1 Mk. 3 has a long milled metal nose cap with a bayonet lug where the No. 4 Mk. 1 does not really have a nose cap, but the handguards have protective stamped metal sheets on them. The bayonet lug on the No. 4 is on the barrel itself. Both the No. 4 and No. 1 rifles use 2 piece handguards but they are not interchangeable.

[echo1]

My bad, brain fart. I got the MK & # backwards, I've corrected it in the post. Thanks for catching that. PAX

[echo1]

I've got 2 #4s, a MK1 & a MK1/2, and 2 Ishapore 2A1s that use #1 furniture. I've thought it strange that the Indians didn't upgrade to peep on the 2A1 rifles but I could see they where they were in transition to semi NATO caliber ammo. PAX

[MajorSideburns]

I've got 2 #4s, a MK1 & a MK1/2, and 2 Ishapore 2A1s that use #1 furniture. I've thought it strange that the Indians didn't upgrade to peep on the 2A1 rifles but I could see they where they were in transition to semi NATO caliber ammo. PAX

I'm guessing they probably only had the tooling and parts ability to continue production of No. 1 style rifles due to previous decades of investment and use and by the time the 2A was in production India had already adopted the FAL as most of the world had already transitioned to semi-automatic rifles. So it probably wasn't worth the investment to really upgrade them in any meaningful way. I think the 2A came about in the 1960s or so. I believe the 2A was created as a stop gap from stockpiles of spare parts while India built up enough FALs to field to it's troops. I know the British had a history of not letting their colonies have the latest iteration of weaponry. So in WW2 they most likely would not have given the No. 4 rifle to India but don't quote me on that.

[smle-man]

I'm guessing they probably only had the tooling and parts ability to continue production of No. 1 style rifles due to previous decades of investment and use and by the time the 2A was in production India had already adopted the FAL as most of the world had already transitioned to semi-automatic rifles. So it probably wasn't worth the investment to really upgrade them in any meaningful way. I think the 2A came about in the 1960s or so. I believe the 2A was created as a stop gap from stockpiles of spare parts while India built up enough FALs to field to it's troops. I know the British had a history of not letting their colonies have the latest iteration of weaponry. So in WW2 they most likely would not have given the No. 4 rifle to India but don't quote me on that.

India made #1s at RFI and fought WW2 with #1s. They obtained #4s post WW2 but never made them domestically. Pakistan produced #4s on machinery surplused by GB in the 60s.

[echo1]

Sad update fellas, I dug out my Enfield hardware and I'm missing the front band for the #4 retso. It's back to the wait pile, but it's looking like an SKS Paratrooper is stepping up to the plate. Thanks for your help guys, PAX

[Heatseeker]

Has anybody heard from MJ1? He was my Enfield guru and I hoped he would chime in here. I tried a PM a few months back with no reply��.

[SVT-40]

I've got this No4Mk1(t) sporter that I bought 25+ years ago... It has it matching scope, but has been blued...

I really don't know what to do with it..

[MajorSideburns]

I've got this No4Mk1(t) sporter that I bought 25+ years ago... It has it matching scope, but has been blued...

I really don't know what to do with it..

I imagine the original sniper furniture is quite hard to come by. Does anyone make reproductions? If not, you could always purchase a regular No. 4 set and use a strap on leather pad while you try to custom fabricate the cheek riser.

[echo1]

I've got this No4Mk1(t) sporter that I bought 25+ years ago... It has it matching scope, but has been blued...

I really don't know what to do with it..

I've got a #4MKI sport job too. The woods not as nice as SVTs but decent. It can't be saved as the barrel was cut and a Parker-Hale installed. I put a hood & the brake covers some corrosion on the muzzle & ramp. It's a 2 grove and doesn't like spire boolits. I briefly thought about cloning a #5, as I have most of the bits necessary, but decided against putting anymore ducats and effort towards that. PAX

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[Heatseeker]

[QUOTE=SVT-40;28175378]I've got this No4Mk1(t) sporter that I bought 25+ years ago... It has it matching scope, but has been blued...

I really don't know what to do with it..

Too bad about the rifle, though it looks like it was done nicely. I have a No.4 mkII(?) that my dad bought in the early 60's at a surplus store in SF. He took it right around the corner to High Bridge Arms on Mission Street and had it sporterized. I guess it was the thing to do to them back then. That Enfield was my first rifle.

I can tell you that that scope on it's own has value. That how I met MJ1. I had acquired a sporterized 03-A3 that had that same scope on it. I had no idea what the scope was and asked here. Jack immediately messaged me and made arrangements to come from Monterey to buy it and replaced it with an early Weaver K5. Apparently they are pretty scarce.