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[2761377]

lol-

"a group of starving, battle worn, traitors"

something tells me cognitive dissonance has reared it's ugly head.

unless he IS talking about the Continental Army at Valley Forge.
Our most famous traitor is on the dollar bill.

[NapalmCheese]

lol-

"a group of starving, battle worn, traitors"

something tells me cognitive dissonance has reared it's ugly head.

unless he IS talking about the Continental Army at Valley Forge.
Our most famous traitor is on the dollar bill.

Well, George Washington did have the wits and the balls to win and then become president of what has become the most powerful country on the planet.

The CSA mostly managed to take some balls to their chests (while variously starving, battle worn, or freshly fed) while committing treason (as it is defined in The Constitution).

After all, both round ball and conicals would have been used.

[MajorSideburns]

The CSA mostly managed to take some balls to their chests (while variously starving, battle worn, or freshly fed) while committing treason (as it is defined in The Constitution).

Could you cite this for us burgeoning scholars? I am not familiar with this passage of the Constitution that defines secession as treason. Last I checked, the bill of rights specifically says all powers not delegated to the United States are reserved for the states or the people. There is no prohibition of secession in the United States constitution or requirement to maintain a union of states.

[NapalmCheese]

Could you cite this for us burgeoning scholars? I am not familiar with this passage of the Constitution that defines secession as treason. Last I checked, the bill of rights specifically says all powers not delegated to the United States are reserved for the states or the people. There is no prohibition of secession in the United States constitution or requirement to maintain a union of states.

Article III, Section 3: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. "

Any citizen who took up arms against the United States was a traitor and committed treason. Further, anyone who aided or abetted such traitors was, themself, a traitor.

That aptly defines the entire of the CSA.

There is no provision for secession in The Constitution; but our forefathers, being wise, provided the means by which any grievance with the federal government may be addressed (which doesn't include include committing treason). That some people saw no recourse but by violence only attests to a lack understanding (i.e. ignorance of the process) or that they understood their cause was forfeit and so turned to treason.

As for taking balls to the chest, I'm sure you're capable of looking up those stats. Though back then the term ball was often used interchangeably between conicals and round ball.

As for starving and battle worn, by all means read some journals.

[MajorSideburns]

Article III, Section 3: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. "

Any citizen who took up arms against the United States was a traitor and committed treason. Further, anyone who aided or abetted such traitors was, themself, a traitor.

That aptly defines the entire of the CSA.

There is no provision for secession in The Constitution; but our forefathers, being wise, provided the means by which any grievance with the federal government may be addressed (which doesn't include include committing treason). That some people saw no recourse but by violence only attests to a lack understanding (i.e. ignorance of the process) or that they understood their cause was forfeit and so turned to treason.

As for taking balls to the chest, I'm sure you're capable of looking up those stats. Though back then the term ball was often used interchangeably between conicals and round ball.

As for starving and battle worn, by all means read some journals.

That's interesting, because as of today I don't believe a single person from the Confederate States of America has been tried for treason. Didn't the north know the laws back then? War was not "levied" against the United States. The south did not just not get up and start shooting to conquer territory. They were not attempting to take over the north. There was no invasion of the north. Eleven states convened and their delegates legally passed resolutions to secede from the union before a single shot was fired. They legally left the union as granted by the powers of the constitution and were no longer members of the "United States". They formed their Confederacy, making essentially a carbon copy of the United States constitution as their own constitution but highlighting the fact that states were free to leave at any time. Notice the word "only" in Article III you cited. The founders were well aware of the definition of treason when they separated from Britain. They wrote their Declaration of Independence and ratified a constitution, wanting to live freely in their own territory without the rule of Britain. They had no intentions of invading the British or waging war against them. They could have easily written "any state that leaves the United States is guilty of treason" so why didn't they? Because many states were apprehensive about trading one central power for another. Hence the insistence on the Bill of Rights before ratification of the Constitution.

I think you should go back and read more on the history of this country's creation. And I don't care for your condescending tone or tasteless comments about American soldiers "taking balls to the chest" in defense of their country. I'll remind you that the Union Army took a lot more "balls to the chest" than any "starving, battle worn, traitors".

[2761377]

the compulsion to forcibly re-unify the Northern states and the Southern was financial. Wall Street investors and Northern banks could not afford to lose control over the resources and markets of the South. as normal, the war was fought because of money.
not slavery, not treason but money.
it really is a just use of the phrase "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
Americans have always been and continue to be easy to fool.

[NapalmCheese]

There was no legal secession because there was no means to secede, nor is there one today. People identifying themselves as CSA took up arms against their own country rather than using the Constitutional methods available to them to effect change. Invasion is not necessary for treason.

Why weren't CSA affiliates tried for treason? The simple fact is it would have done nothing good for the once again unified country to do so. So Lincoln pardoned a few, and didn't bother with the rest. Johnson gave them amnesty after the fact give the remainder of the un pardoned traitors a pardon for their act of treason. Note that a pardon does not mean you did not commit the act, just that you will not be held accountable for it any longer. Even Lee himself was never again a United States citizen (having lost his citizenship due to being a traitor) until 1975. So yes, they were traitors, with their act of treason pardoned.

This became even more evident further after the fact in the Texas vs. White case of 1869 which found, simply put, "States do not have the right to unilaterally secede from the United States, so the Confederate states during the Civil War always remained part of the nation.".

MajorSideburns, in regards to your not caring for my condescending tone, I do not care. You are free to block me or otherwise avoid my posts as you see fit.

[2761377]

Circling back to the Colt Walker replica, it seems pertinent to remind that the original was built to support a war of aggression.
Which war was dedicated to the goal of supporting traitors.
Texans rebelled against their lawfully constituted government, Mexico, in order to secede.
The Mexican government referred to them as "pirates".

[NapalmCheese]

Circling back to the Colt Walker replica, it seems pertinent to remind that the original was built to support a war of aggression.
Which war was dedicated to the goal of supporting traitors.
Texans rebelled against their lawfully constituted government, Mexico, in order to secede.
The Mexican government referred to them as "pirates".

Well no...

Texas rebelled against Mexico in 1835 - 1836, applied for annexation by the United States in 1836, and was annexed by the United States in 1845 (becoming the 28th state of the United States) and was then used as a jumping off point to invade Mexico in 1846 to help settle the boundary of Texas and therefore the United States. The Colt Walker had not yet been invented (as it was invented in 1847) and so was not present for the secession of Texas from Mexico as Texas was already part of the United States before the invention of the Colt Walker. As such, the Colt Walker was built to support Americans fighting Mexicans for territory.

The Colt Patterson could have been present in the Texas Revolution of 1836, but probably was not as Texas didn't purchase any until 1839. It was, however, present during the Texas-Indian wars.

And just to circle all the way back, for chamber mouths measuring .454 I still think that a .460 ball would be optimal, though a .457 will probably work with few (or maybe no) problems but may not cut a clean lead ring upon loading. The benefit to the .457 is that it's pretty easy to find.

[2761377]

Well no...

Texas rebelled against Mexico in 1835 - 1836, applied for annexation by the United States in 1836, and was annexed by the United States in 1845 (becoming the 28th state of the United States) and was then used as a jumping off point to invade Mexico in 1846 to help settle the boundary of Texas and therefore the United States. The Colt Walker had not yet been invented (as it was invented in 1847) and so was not present for the secession of Texas from Mexico as Texas was already part of the United States before the invention of the Colt Walker. As such, the Colt Walker was built to support Americans fighting Mexicans for territory.

The Colt Patterson could have been present in the Texas Revolution of 1836, but probably was not as Texas didn't purchase any until 1839. It was, however, present during the Texas-Indian wars.

And just to circle all the way back, for chamber mouths measuring .454 I still think that a .460 ball would be optimal, though a .457 will probably work with few (or maybe no) problems but may not cut a clean lead ring upon loading. The benefit to the .457 is that it's pretty easy to find.

your intellectual dishonesty is amazing, and must be agenda driven.

Mexico never recognized the independence of Texas. when the U.S. annexed Mexican territory it precipitated the diplomatic crisis that lead to the war of aggression.

Jim Bowie, Davy Crockett and Sam Houston were all traitors. the only difference is their cause succeeded, with the help of the corrupt government of the United States.

and round balls in a Walker are only for those so poor they have to ration their lead.

[NapalmCheese]

your intellectual dishonesty is amazing, and must be agenda driven.

Mexico never recognized the independence of Texas. when the U.S. annexed Mexican territory it precipitated the diplomatic crisis that lead to the war of aggression.

Jim Bowie, Davy Crockett and Sam Houston were all traitors. the only difference is their cause succeeded, with the help of the corrupt government of the United States.

and round balls in a Walker are only for those so poor they have to ration their lead.

Lol, intellectual dishonesty... Because Sam Colt sold Walkers to Americans to fight Mexicans...

Americans were fighting for the United States in the United States and Mexico during the Mexican American war (which is when the Colt Walker would have been involved). Mexico might have thought of them as Mexicans fighting Mexicans, but Mexico would have been wrong since during the Mexican American war they were American Citizens, inhabiting the 28th state of the United States of America; they weren't Mexicans fighting Mexico. Americans fighting a war against Mexico are not traitors to the United States, nor are they committing treason against the United States. This in an important note since we have been using the word treason as defined in the Constitution of the United States in regards to traitors committing treason against the United States. Likewise (and without knowing how Mexico defines treason), United States citizens fighting Mexicans are most likely by definition not traitors to Mexico, they are American Soldiers fighting for the United States.

Mexico almost certainly viewed them as traitors to Mexico during the Texas Revolution (and beyond) which predates Colt Walker pistols (and your implication that they were made to arm traitors) by 10+ years. So were Colt Walkers made to arm traitors? By definition no; they were made to arm Americans fighting for the United States against Mexico.

The confederate traitors taking balls to their chests and faces in the American Civil War were by definition traitors to the United States committing treason. Which is why they were later pardoned for having committed treason by Johnson.

As for round balls only being for whatever... If you don't like using your balls don't use them. I'll just assume that you have no balls to use since I'm sure you are rich in lead and have no need to ration.

Fun Note!: Mexico doesn't really define treason, instead choosing to list a number of things that are definitely treason! You can read them all here. The Mexicans engaged during the Texas Rebellion would have been traitors to Mexico; but not the Americans fighting Mexico in the Mexican American war which happened before and during the invention of the Colt Walker.