1944 Ithaca thoughts

[JoyfulJoker]

Union Switch and Signal Grip safety, Remington Rand Mainspring housing , correct / possibly original hammer , mag release and thumb safety, Colt Trigger , replacement chrome lined barrel, Numax hardened slide. Shoots 1.5” groups at 25 yards , which I think is pretty good for these guns. I had the opportunity to buy a set of original Ithaca parts , a few were new old stock. I passed . These frame parts have been together a long time and it would take a lot of fitting to “correct “ this pistol when it shoots fine as it is. I did collect a bunch of new old stock items, the best being a never been shot Colt replacement barrel from the 60’s . I’m a shooter not a collector. I did buy a 1944 Ithaca slide but it’s not hardened. I take a risk shooting it. I’ve loaded a few hundred rounds for it and shot some factory ammo too. Fun as hell. No worries with a hardened slide.

The frame went to the Mediterranean in February 1943 . The only thing happening at that time was Patton in Tunisia. It has a flaming bomb and FK /RIA stamp as well as an Ogden Marine Corp rebuild mark from 1979.

[The Gleam]

Shoots 1.5? groups at 25 yards , which I think is pretty good for these guns. /// These frame parts have been together a long time and it would take a lot of fitting to ?correct ? this pistol when it shoots fine as it is.

Nice find; sounds like someone took great care and attention to get it to where it is with what they had to work with, lovingly fitting the parts to build a performer. Maybe some dutiful, meticulous Marine? - (Pardon me, 'Meticulous' and 'Marine' is redundant.)

That work is worth the price you paid alone, and in my collection guns like that are as revered as any queen only handled with kid gloves. It's a nice score as many CMP guns of late don't seem to be enjoying that benefit.

Don't change a thing; it's part of its history as is your use and custionship of it.

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[kris smith]

Most of the time you can co tact seller and walk them through shipping. C&r to Cali and get the deal done

[aghauler]

Yes, I did as well. However, as this is a C&R, it is legal to sell to a CA resident through FFL. That would need to be dealt with if reposted.

My dealer here in NM usually charges $25 plus shipping to another FFL.

BUT there is a $75 surcharge plus shipping for "dealing with the CA BS for him to ship there".

FedEx only ships between FFLs and you have to sign some kind of contract with them.

I believe www.shipmygun.com will only ship to an 01 FFL in CA at about 1/2 or less the cost of UPS shipping. I've used them in the past both in and out of CA with good results (they used to send you a shipping box!), just make sure the receiving FFL is signed up with them, it's free and allows much cheaper UPS shipping rates, even the 01 FFL can use them.
The last handgun my FFL was going to ship last week to FL was going to cost about $170 for UPS next day. I convinced him to ship USPS Priority and it only cost $70 total with his fees. He doesn't like USPS so won't use them.
With shipmygun.com you have to deliver packaged item to a UPS Customer Service Center (not a UPS Store). So today I found out there is a UPS Service Center 10 min from my house with easy access! So I can easily use shipmygun.com and not my local FFL to only pay shipping costs no surcharges.
I'm actually waiting for a reply to shipmygun as to whether or not they will ship to a C&R in CA. I'm only guessing the answer is no because the FFL can't be verified like the 01 FFLs with ATF.
To use USPS to ship to a C&R in CA would be a 40 mile drive.
Non 01 FFLs can't ship handguns via USPS,

[aghauler]

Won't sell C&R to California?

Verify first, as they might, and that could just be their common auction-language to be sure it's not left out of auctions where that would be relevant (for Roster/AW items), but if they don't, seller is a out of touch - which indicates there will likely be other problems. Being in Illinois, you would think he would be understanding of the BS to which gun owners are subjected.

For that matter, I can understand hiding/blocking serial numbers when simply posting on a website gallery by the owner, but it's ridiculous for a seller to block and/or not reveal the full serial number.

On a rare/collectible firearm, the full serial number is relevant and I have actually made buying decisions based on the serial number. He might reveal that in private if asked, but it's a bit silly for a seller/auction not to post it.

His justification of "The last 2 digits of the serial number have been hidden to ensure confidentiality for the buyer" has no merit, because nobody knows who that will be, the username of the buyer is anonymous, and Gunbroker removes any past sales from their archives after 90 days anyway.

All that said, the starting price of $2,149 was a fair deal for a poorly refinished gun, with a Colt barrel that may or may not be original to that gun, and an idiot scratch - IF he will ship to CA.

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Also worth of mention is Ithaca is the only manufacturer that factory shipping records exist indicating where they were shipped to during the War. When I posted my Ithaca serial on an 1911 Forum, they confirmed the provenance I had been told about it was very likely true. Only paid $200 for all original EX to Mint condition 1911a1.

[sbo80]

not even get a single bid; anyone doing a search, or a saved search would not find this auction in their results.

I have gotten some amazing deals on (non-gun) auctions, where I won at a crazy-low starting bid with zero other bidders, I'm pretty sure simply because the listing was poorly worded or misspelled. Not my problem bro can't spell!

[aghauler]

I have gotten some amazing deals on (non-gun) auctions, where I won at a crazy-low starting bid with zero other bidders, I'm pretty sure simply because the listing was poorly worded or misspelled. Not my problem bro can't spell!

Reminds me of some years ago a fella won a rare Mauser because it was listed as a "Mouser", search engines didn't recognize it as a rifle, and got no bids.

[Dan_Eastvale]

Reminds me of some years ago a fella won a rare Mauser because it was listed as a "Mouser", search engines didn't recognize it as a rifle, and got no bids.

Plenty of Cats hits though

[pitfighter]

Reminds me of some years ago a fella won a rare Mauser because it was listed as a "Mouser", search engines didn't recognize it as a rifle, and got no bids.

I purposely do "misspell" searches for items I'm looking for in auctions.
So many sellers don't do their research, cannot spell, or are lazy, or a combination of all three.

If you take the time to list an auction, place an ad or offer an item for sale, but are too lazy to do a google search to check the spelling of what it is you're selling, you do not have my sympathy.

I'm obviously not about to rip off a little old lady selling her late husbands items, we're talking specialist auction sites and listings, with unusually callous sellers out to make as much as they can, they are often surprisingly ignorant.

[aghauler]

I purposely do "misspell" searches for items I'm looking for in auctions.
So many sellers don't do their research, cannot spell, or are lazy, or a combination of all three.

If you take the time to list an auction, place an ad or offer an item for sale, but are too lazy to do a google search to check the spelling of what it is you're selling, you do not have my sympathy.

I'm obviously not about to rip off a little old lady selling her late husbands items, we're talking specialist auction sites and listings, with unusually callous sellers out to make as much as they can, they are often surprisingly ignorant.

Was it someone on Calguns a few years back, that scored very cheaply, a rare Japanese multiple barreled flare pistol on a Farm auction site on Proxibid cuz he just loaded "flare pistol" in the search window for that auction, and it showed up, there were no firearms in that auction. Never know where things might pop up!

[capt14k]

Won't sell C&R to California?

Verify first, as they might, and that could just be their common auction-language to be sure it's not left out of auctions where that would be relevant (for Roster/AW items), but if they don't, seller is a out of touch - which indicates there will likely be other problems. Being in Illinois, you would think he would be understanding of the BS to which gun owners are subjected.

For that matter, I can understand hiding/blocking serial numbers when simply posting on a website gallery by the owner, but it's ridiculous for a seller to block and/or not reveal the full serial number.

On a rare/collectible firearm, the full serial number is relevant and I have actually made buying decisions based on the serial number. He might reveal that in private if asked, but it's a bit silly for a seller/auction not to post it.

His justification of "The last 2 digits of the serial number have been hidden to ensure confidentiality for the buyer" has no merit, because nobody knows who that will be, the username of the buyer is anonymous, and Gunbroker removes any past sales from their archives after 90 days anyway.

All that said, the starting price of $2,149 was a fair deal for a poorly refinished gun, with a Colt barrel that may or may not be original to that gun, and an idiot scratch - IF he will ship to CA.

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I agree completely. Especially about the no shipping, perfectly legal to ship items, to certain states. These are supposed to be Pro 2A individuals who are helping the leftist states to further restrict the rights and access of fellow collectors and Americans. You would especially think anyone stuck in a blue hell hole would understand. Always has burned me up.

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