C&R purchase

[3S16]

I have an FFL03 and COE. Mostly got it to order ammunition online.
I want to buy a handgun locally via PPT. In checking the S/N, I find it was manufactured in 1969 which makes it a 53 year old C&R.
Can I just DROS it as I normally do with any modern firearm? Or do I HAVE to declare it as a C&R because of my license. If so, how do I proceed?

Thank You

[19K]

You dont have to do ppt with a FFL03. Just log into you book and go on cfars for transfer.

Whoa whoa whoa. Hold up with that wrong and illegal advice

Pistols you definitely have to go for a PPT if you are in California.

And with long guns you NEED a COE to bypass the PPT.

With a C&R and COE you are exempt from the 10 day wait and Cfars registration (as it’s registered when you PPT it).

You then have to enter it into your bound book.

Whether you use your C&R or not, you are a licensed individual. Any acquisition of a C&R firearm must be entered into your bound book.

[3S16]

Thanks so much for the guidance.

[sbo80]

if you do a PPT, you don't have to declare it a C&R. 1- the fact that it is a PPT exempts it from the roster so C&R isn't relevant for that part. 2- however, if it's a C&R and transferred with your credentials you can skip the 10 day wait. So no it's not required, but you'd have to do a 10 day wait if you don't. Keep in mind, if it's a gun that was still manufactured more recent than the 50-year cutoff, it may be more difficult to convince your FFL that it is in fact C&R. Some are not easy to work with on that.

[SandHill]

I have a FFL 03 and a COE. I didn't realize you could skip the 10 day waiting period on the DROS if you had these (I haven't actually used my licenses for anything but online ammo yet).

Skipping the 10 day wiat is really handy if you have to travel a long way to do the PPT. Making the trip once (and coming home with the gun!) is so much less painful than doing it twice.

My question: do most CA FFL's know this and cooperate, or do a lot of them want to "play it safe" and make you do the 10 day hold regardless of FFL03 and COE?

[sbo80]

^ you only get to skip if the firearm is a C&R firearm. No modern ones, and PPT isn't relevant. I transferred in a C&R rifle from out of state (so, not a PPT) and took home immediately. And the FFL doesn't get to decide and they can't "make you" wait. If it's processed correctly on the DROS, the computer will tell them "release immediately". If it's not, it will still give the release time as 10 days. The FFL will do whatever the system tells them to do. That's why people get stuck doing the 10 day wait when they don't have to, because it was input wrong the computer says they have to wait, and the FFL can't override that, other than trying to correct/re-do the DROS.

[SandHill]

^ you only get to skip if the firearm is a C&R firearm. No modern ones, and PPT isn't relevant. I transferred in a C&R rifle from out of state (so, not a PPT) and took home immediately. And the FFL doesn't get to decide and they can't "make you" wait. If it's processed correctly on the DROS, the computer will tell them "release immediately". If it's not, it will still give the release time as 10 days. The FFL will do whatever the system tells them to do. That's why people get stuck doing the 10 day wait when they don't have to, because it was input wrong the computer says they have to wait, and the FFL can't override that, other than trying to correct/re-do the DROS.

Thanks. But what if you are buying a C&R handgun in-state. You need to go through an FFL whether you call it a PPT or not. So if you go to the FFL with the seller, the FFL can process the transfer for "release immediately" as long as he completes the DROS correctly, right?

How many FFL's know how to complete the DROS correctly to achieve this result? Most of them? Not very many of them? What are the odds?

[cz74]

Here is the official approved C&R list

https://www.atf.gov/file/128116/download

[19K]

Thanks. But what if you are buying a C&R handgun in-state. You need to go through an FFL whether you call it a PPT or not. So if you go to the FFL with the seller, the FFL can process the transfer for "release immediately" as long as he completes the DROS correctly, right?

How many FFL's know how to complete the DROS correctly to achieve this result? Most of them? Not very many of them? What are the odds?

[19K]

Here is the official approved C&R list
https://www.atf.gov/file/128116/download

That list in addition to every firearm that is 50 years old.

[SandHill]

So a face to face CR handgun transfer through an FFL is not a PPT. I assume that means that the FFL can charge whatever they wnat for the transfer, right? If it was local, I would probably rather have them process it as a PPT and do the 10 day wait than pay the extra $50 or whatever for the transfer. If I had to drive two hours to get to the seller's FFL, then I guess I am paying whatever they charge.

[Quiet]

So a face to face CR handgun transfer through an FFL is not a PPT. I assume that means that the FFL can charge whatever they wnat for the transfer, right? If it was local, I would probably rather have them process it as a PPT and do the 10 day wait than pay the extra $50 or whatever for the transfer. If I had to drive two hours to get to the seller's FFL, then I guess I am paying whatever they charge.

If the C&R handgun is shipped, then it it not considered a PPT.
The CA FFL dealer can legally charge any amount of money to facilitate the transfer.
If the buyer has a valid C&R 03-FFL and valid COE, then they are exempt from the 10 day wait and 1 in 30 day wait.

If the seller and the buyer of C&R handgun show up in person, then it is considered a PPT.
If the buyer has a valid C&R 03-FFL and valid COE, then they are exempt from the 10 day wait and 1 in 30 day wait.


About a decade ago, I won a Nagant M1895 revolver on Gunbroker for $75 and the seller, happened to be a local CA resident.
After the auction ended, we agreed to meet at a CA FFL dealer that was local to him.
I was charged the standard PPT fees at the time ($35) and was able to take it home that day, after they submitted the CA DROS, due to me having a valid C&R 03-FFL and valid COE.