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  • Geofois
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2011
    • 1605

    On the Billy the Kid new series anyone know what this is?

    Saw this what looks to be a breach loading revolver. Jesse Evans the outlaw had it. It's probably isn't what he actually used but maybe it's not even period correct for teh 1870s.
    Last edited by Geofois; 12-09-2023, 9:17 PM.
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    BigStiCK
    Veteran Member
    • Aug 2010
    • 3745

    Looks like a Schofield #3 to me. Very period correct and a great pistol.
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    • #3
      Geofois
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2011
      • 1605

      Looks like Uberti and Cimarron makes replicas. Seems pretty nice for being able to load quickly back then.

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      • #4
        Quiet
        retired Goon
        • Mar 2007
        • 30241

        Originally posted by Geofois
        Saw this what looks to be a breach loading revolver. Jesse Evans the outlaw had it. It's probably isn't what he actually used but maybe it's not even period correct for teh 1870s.
        I agree with the others in identifying it as a Schofield revolver (looks to me like a No.3 1st Model) and most likely a replica made by Uberti or Cimarron.

        AFAIK...

        Billy the Kid = 1859-1881.

        S&W No. 3 Schofield = 1870-1915. (No. 3 / Number 3 / #3 / Model 3 : with three different models, as a result of product improvements over time)
        They were made in .45Schofield, .44Henry, .44-40, .44American, .44Russian, .38-44, and .32-44.

        The US Army adopted the S&W No. 3 Schofield in 1870 chambered in .44American, but in 1875 they were re-chambered in .45Schofield.
        ^The Colt Single Action Army was adopted in 1873 chambered in .45Colt and eventually replaced the S&W No.3 in service. The .45Colt ammo could not be used in the S&W No.3, but the Colt Single Action Army could use both the .45Schofield and .45Colt ammo.

        The Russian Empire adopted the S&W Model 3 Schofield chambered in .44Russian as their standard issues Army pistol in 1871.

        In Wild West lore; Jesse James, John Wesley Hardin, Bill the Kid, Pat Garret, Virigil Earp, and Theodore Roosevelt used the S&W Model 3 Schofield.
        Last edited by Quiet; 05-25-2022, 8:03 AM.
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        • #5
          k1dude
          I need a LIFE!!
          • May 2009
          • 14239

          If you look at most historic photos of the old west, you usually see more people with Schofields than Colts. Yet Hollywood has really pushed Colts. I guess because they look nicer.

          Most people didn't carry Colts and didn't wear cowboy hats or cowboy boots. They typically carried Schofields and wore whatever hat and shoes they could get their hands on.
          Last edited by k1dude; 05-25-2022, 9:08 PM.
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          • #6
            saki302
            Calguns Addict
            • Oct 2005
            • 7186

            My envy gun is an uberti schofield in. 44-40. I don't have one yet ��

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            • #7
              Geofois
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2011
              • 1605

              Originally posted by saki302
              My envy gun is an uberti schofield in. 44-40. I don't have one yet ��
              That's exactly what I want now. My bday was Sunday if everyone can run a collection and get one for me I'd appreciate it

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              • #8
                pitfighter
                Veteran Member
                • Jul 2009
                • 3141

                Originally posted by k1dude
                If you look at most historic photos of the old west, you usually see more people with Schofields than Colts. Yet Hollywood has really pushed Colts. I guess because they look nicer.

                Most people didn't carry Colts and didn't wear cowboy hats or cowboy boots. They typically carried Schofields and wore whatever hat and shoes they could get their hands on.
                Colt pushed Colt.

                Colt was a master publicist, and employed press writers, novelists and publicists to push the narrative that the Colt was responsible for the taming of the West, winning of wars and general everything of it all.
                He paid successful fiction writers, of the enormously popular "yellow Press" type stories, to include descriptions of his competitors revolvers jamming, or failing at the necessary moment, where the dependable Colt didn't.

                He also furiously chased and prosecuted any and all patent and copyright infringements. Adopted as his own, inventions and technology developed by employees, and trampled or put out of business smaller companies that competed with him.
                This may sound common place now, but in the 1800's it was a novel concept, and was the death knoll for several companies.
                It's a very interesting and very American story. At it's height his factory had a marching band with uniforms and instruments and housing in Germanic style for all the foreign craftsmen.
                He gave away so many expensive revolver sets to dignitaries and heads of state, his financial department was almost upside down. But, his work and efforts had an effect, period photos rarely show actual colt revolvers, but if you looked at movies and TV and fiction you'd think that was all there was.

                In my opinion the most practical of the time would have been the Merwin and Hulbert 44-40 army, but, there's something amazing about a Colt SAA that can't be argued, whether it's Sam's work or Hollywood's or just the design, it worked.
                Pitfighter.
                CA/AZ

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                • #9
                  smle-man
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 10575

                  I have a Beretta Laramie in .38 special; it is accurate and the auto ejection of all 6 cases is sweet.

                  I need to figure out which speed loader fits this cylinder.

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                  • #10
                    Geofois
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2011
                    • 1605

                    Is the Beretta supposed to be a Schofield clone or is it a variant? It probably has a better safety system maybe? Did the Schofield have the usual cowboy type handle or did it have what you see on newer revolvers at the turn of the century? If it wasn't $1300 I'd get one.

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                    • #11
                      deadcoyote
                      Veteran Member
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 4002

                      Originally posted by BigStiCK
                      Looks like a Schofield #3 to me. Very period correct and a great pistol.
                      They have a modern clone of one of these at my local hardware store and it calls to me but is very pricey.
                      Buying a safe and sane firework is like paying a hooker for a hug. I do not see the appeal in it.

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                      • #12
                        Wyatt Burp
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 1317

                        Originally posted by BigStiCK
                        Looks like a Schofield #3 to me. Very period correct and a great pistol.

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                        • #13
                          Geofois
                          Senior Member
                          • Mar 2011
                          • 1605

                          Schofield is specifically the version that came out in 1875 right? The one that General Schofield made some adjustments. What caliber would the first ones in 1870 have been?

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                            BigStiCK
                            Veteran Member
                            • Aug 2010
                            • 3745

                            Originally posted by Geofois
                            That's exactly what I want now. My bday was Sunday if everyone can run a collection and get one for me I'd appreciate it
                            Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought.

                            ~Pope John Paul II

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                            • #15
                              Geofois
                              Senior Member
                              • Mar 2011
                              • 1605

                              I was able to find 38-40 cases for my brother's lever gun. Hard to find any brass for rounds like that. Can other calibers be converted like 44 mag, or 45LC? The rim is probably way off.

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