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  • Devilock04
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    • Oct 2010
    • 2220

    Ulysses S. Grant’s revolvers sells for $5.17 Million

    The two Remington New Model Revolvers set a record at the Rock Island Auction Company

    A pair of revolvers belonging to Civil War general Ulysses S. Grant brought in over $5 million at an auction of historic guns in Illinois. The two Remington New Model Revolvers belonging to the Union commander were purchased for $5.17 million at an auction – a record sale for the Rock Island Auction Company (RIAC). “Grant’s Remington revolvers, numbered 1 and 2, are arguably the most significant firearms discovered from the Civil War. The set is covered with the artistry of L. D. Nimschke, one of the most renowned master engravers of the 19th century, and features grips carved with Grant’s portrait,” RIAC announced in a press release last week. Widely credited with leading the Union to victory during the American Civil War, Grant also fought in the Mexican-American War, served two terms as president, and wrote a bestselling memoir with the help of iconic American author Mark Twain. The revolvers were gifted to the Union general after he took the key Southern city of Vicksburg, Mississippi. Grant’s victory at Vicksburg, one of the Union’s most important victories in the Western theater of the war, took about one and a half months. The South’s defenders at Vicksburg held out from May 18, 1863, until July 4, 1863, and successfully repelled several attempts by the North to take the city even as the inhabitants faced starvation. The Union victory at Vicksburg gave them effectively total control of the Mississippi River and came just after Confederate General Robert E. Lee’s counter-invasion of the North failed at the battle of Gettysburg in Pennsylvania. Although Grant would still not be given control of the Union armies until March 1864, any hope of Confederate victory had essentially been squashed by losses at Vicksburg and Gettysburg. Grant’s revolvers are seen as an “American treasure” and comparable to Abraham Lincoln’s Henry Rifle or George Washington’s flintlock pistols, according to RIAC. The auction company also noted that the guns “only came to light” in 2018 and feature Grant’s portrait on the handle.They were originally expected to sell for between $1-3 million but greatly surpassed the initial estimate.“We are seeing remarkable prices in the collectible firearms market, and this is a tremendous example,” said RIAC President Kevin Hogan. “The growth has been extraordinary year after year, but recently there has been an explosion in the fine arms marketplace. More and more collectors are recognizing the value and importance these objects can carry.”The auction also featured other historic weapons including a Confederate revolver, one of Wild Bill Hickock’s guns, a firearm belonging to Frank Sinatra, and a weapon owned by former FBI chief J. Edgar Hoover.


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    Capybara
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    • Feb 2012
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    Those are an amazing piece of American history. Wonder if they were bought for a private collection or for a museum?

    It will be a shame if they never see the light of day again because they are just sitting in a safe somewhere in a rich person's house.
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      Bobby Ricigliano
      Mit Gott und Mauser
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      • Feb 2011
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      Elegant revolvers to be sure, but I wonder if the buyer knew exactly what he was purchasing. I’ve read a lot about U.S. Grant, and he was not known for pomp and finery, such as many of Lincoln’s other generals were. Grant often wore a simple private’s frock coat, with nothing other than the rank epaulets on the shoulders for identification purposes.

      These revolvers have obviously never seen any field use, and while the provenance is well documented, these revolvers were a gift that Grant received and most likely put into storage. They certainly never saw any action, and Grant wasn’t known for wearing a sidearm, or even a sword for that matter.

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        pitfighter
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        • Jul 2009
        • 3141

        Couldn't agree with you more.
        IMHO Grant would have probably looked at them once, and with disdain, and put them away.
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          Capybara
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          • Feb 2012
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          Originally posted by pitfighter
          Couldn't agree with you more.
          IMHO Grant would have probably looked at them once, and with disdain, and put them away.
          In this rare case, the value came from "the story" of whom they belonged to much more than the guns themselves. They are a link to real history, even if it is a tenuous one.
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            Bobby Ricigliano
            Mit Gott und Mauser
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            • Feb 2011
            • 17439

            Originally posted by Capybara
            In this rare case, the value came from "the story" of whom they belonged to much more than the guns themselves. They are a link to real history, even if it is a tenuous one.
            Given that the pistols were the personal property of U.S. Grant, I wouldn't characterize the link as tenuous. Nor would I dismiss their historical importance as the property of a man who was a General and President. It is just that I have "gotten to know" Grant through his own words, and those of Shelby Foote, Bruce Catton, and others who wrote about him. Such elaborate pieces just weren't his style.

            He was a blue collar guy, an average officer in the pre-war Army, and had a run of bad luck in business after leaving the Army the first time. He certainly played a central role in the Civil War, but for the most part it was a bludgeoning war of attrition, frontal assaults, and relentless pursuits that quickly wore down the ANV.

            The Federals were fortunate to have him, and he was quite prescient about how the surrender should be handled. With all of the bad blood on both sides, he surprised Lee's entourage at Appomattox by receiving them cordially and offering generous terms of surrender. Lee still had around 25,000 men, many of whom wanted to continue the war as guerillas and bushwhackers. Had Lee been taken into custody or humiliated upon surrender, the war would have gone on, but Grant made sure that didn't happen, and the first baby steps of the reconstruction started right then and there.

            And with that, I have gone WAY off topic...sorry

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              SilveradoColt21
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              • Sep 2021
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              Those are some NICE pieces, I wish I had the money to have purchased them
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                Bobby Ricigliano
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                • Feb 2011
                • 17439

                Originally posted by SilveradoColt21
                Those are some NICE pieces, I wish I had the money to have purchased them
                I was about $5.169 million short, otherwise me too.

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                  Devilock04
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                  • Oct 2010
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                    The Gleam
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Feb 2011
                    • 12248

                    Originally posted by Capybara
                    Those are an amazing piece of American history. Wonder if they were bought for a private collection or for a museum?

                    It will be a shame if they never see the light of day again because they are just sitting in a safe somewhere in a rich person's house.
                    Sorry, not sorry.

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                    What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

                    If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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                      Mojaveman
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 1126

                      Originally posted by Bobby Ricigliano
                      And with that, I have gone WAY off topic...sorry
                      Can't remember if you're a LEO or a history teacher.
                      "Any honest and hardworking man is made better yet by a large bowl of good chili."

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                        Wheellock
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                        • Dec 2019
                        • 1112

                        I watched the auction and it looked like there were only two people that bid on it in any serious way. when you have millions to burn, and you want to beat out the competition, the sky is the limit. I see a lot of items at Rock Island that go for way more that what I think they would. I think they get a lot of deep pockets at their auctions.

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                          Capybara
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                          • Feb 2012
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                          Originally posted by The Gleam
                          Sorry, not sorry.

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                            Bobby Ricigliano
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                            • Feb 2011
                            • 17439

                            I can’t help but comparing these guns to J.E.B. Stuart’s LeMat revolver, or Robert E. Lee’s camp table. Stuff like that is essentially priceless, and thankfully those items are behind glass in a museum.

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                              Capybara
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                              • Feb 2012
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                              No safe queens. Get out there and shoot those bad boys!

                              J/K, probably wouldn't be a wise financial move.
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